RE: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-29 Thread dave.devos
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens Don Dailey Verzonden: do 25-9-2008 22:14 Aan: computer-go Onderwerp: Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:48 +0200, Erik van der Werf wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

RE: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-29 Thread dave.devos
Sorry, I just realized this is about 6x6 go. Please ignore my previous response. Dave Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: ma 29-9-2008 20:09 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; computer-go; computer-go Onderwerp: RE: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go I (EGF 4d) am probably

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-28 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
You guess also in go: side who begins wins game? Vincent On Sep 22, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Erik van der Werf wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ingo Althöfer 3-Hirn- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does someone here know of other (documented) attempts to solve 6x6 Go? Didn't Erik van der Werf

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-27 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:48 +0200, Erik van der Werf wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if even size boards are special, but it seems to me that such small boards should have very high komi's. 4.0 seems pretty low but then I'm really

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-27 Thread Don Dailey
Ok, I resolved what I believe is the problem, it's an interface issue. I'm now testing komi 3.5 to see what happens. If 4.0 is the correct komi, we should expect to see black win the majority of the games.If this happens I'll try switching to 4.5 komi. If white then wins, it will be

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-27 Thread steve uurtamo
even-sized boards have the disability that there's no tengen. i think that this makes mirror go functional until fairly late in the game. s. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-27 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Don Dailey wrote: The only thing I know to check is to see if I am sending the proper komi to the programs.The only other possible glitch is that the version of leela I am using is ignoring the komi I send - but I don't think this is the case. The problem was that Leela reset the komi

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-25 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:48 +0200, Erik van der Werf wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if even size boards are special, but it seems to me that such small boards should have very high komi's. 4.0 seems pretty low but then I'm really

[computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-24 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Erik van der Werf wrote: ... Optimal play on 6x6 under Chinese rules is expected to give a Black win by 4 points. I want to lay open, why my expectation for 6x6-Go under Chinese rules is +2 for Black. With Leela, I played two games (or game fragments) in analysis mode, starting the machine

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-24 Thread terry mcintyre
To satisfy my standards of proof, games would have to be post-analyzed to determine whether either side could have made better moves. Duplicate games would be thrown out; games with inferior play would be tossed. We might not have the resources to completely solve the game, but we could improve

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-24 Thread Erik van der Werf
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if even size boards are special, but it seems to me that such small boards should have very high komi's. 4.0 seems pretty low but then I'm really no expert on komi's and I'm a pretty weak player so I'm not in

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-24 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 09:42 -0700, terry mcintyre wrote: To satisfy my standards of proof, games would have to be post-analyzed to determine whether either side could have made better moves. Duplicate games would be thrown out; games with inferior play would be tossed. We might not have the

[computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-22 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Stefan Reisz is the author of the website http://www.reisz.de/gohome.htm There he claims to have a solution for 6x6-Go with Japanese rules. The outcome of his handmade analysis is that komi=3 would be fair. The analysis may be downloaded from the site, as sgf file. Does someone here know of

Re: [computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-22 Thread Robert Jasiek
Ingo Althöfer wrote: Stefan Reisz is the author of the website http://www.reisz.de/gohome.htm There he claims to have a solution for 6x6-Go with Japanese rules. This is not a solution in a mathematical sense because - it is not specified which Japanese rules are used - during the scoring, the

[computer-go] Analysis of 6x6 Go

2008-09-22 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello Robert, thx for the feedback. Does someone here know of other (documented) attempts to solve 6x6 Go? Didn't Erik van der Werf do it under his rules? He did it for 5x5-Go, see at http://erikvanderwerf.tengen.nl/5x5/5x5solved.html Ingo. -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger