Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-21 Thread Martin Mueller
Human players use reading (yomi) and feeling (kankaku) to play Go. In MC programs, I think the reading is equivalent to UCT, and the feeling is equivalent to playouts. The reading is scalable, the feeling is not. If 2 programs have the playout algorithms of same level, The one which used more

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Yamato
Jim O'Flaherty wrote: >That said, it means that one "MC" program might be using it's power much >more effectively (require substantially less CPU cycles to produce a >similarly skilled result) than another, even though both assert they are >"MC". > >Perhaps it would be better said that a Go prog

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread elife
You can see them in http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/tournament.php?id=193 2009/5/18 Don Dailey > > What was Zen's hardware? What hardware were the other programs running > on? > > ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Don Dailey
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > Remi, > > I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still > wondering how much performance is still a low influencer. In other words, a > really fast poor algorithm won't be a better algorithm on slower hardware > (or

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Remi, It's not so much a question, just a thought about the use of power. Not every MC program is the same. And that's assuming you leave all the UCT/RAVE/etc. variations completely out of the comparisons. In fact, in my reading this list over the last 24 months, I would say it appears that t

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Oops...should have read "...a really fast poor algorithm won't be*_at_* a better algorithm on slower hardware..." Jim O'Flaherty wrote: Remi, I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still wondering how much performance is still a low influencer. In other words, a re

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Rémi Coulom
Jim O'Flaherty wrote: Remi, I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still wondering how much performance is still a low influencer. In other words, a really fast poor algorithm won't be a better algorithm on slower hardware (or slower software). Jim Hardware has

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Remi, I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still wondering how much performance is still a low influencer. In other words, a really fast poor algorithm won't be a better algorithm on slower hardware (or slower software). Jim Rémi Coulom wrote: Ingo Althöfer w

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Rémi Coulom
Ingo Althöfer wrote: Hello, this is not Go, but I feel that some people here should know the answer: What are the results of the Connect6 competition in the Computer Olympiad. Thx in advance, Ingo. I forwarded the question to organizers. I'll update the web site as soon as I have the result

[computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-16 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello, this is not Go, but I feel that some people here should know the answer: What are the results of the Connect6 competition in the Computer Olympiad. Thx in advance, Ingo. -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsls