[computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-05 Thread Chris Fant
Maybe this would make a good Go card: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/nvidia-ships-128core-graphics-cards-for-highend-film-editors-graphics-pros-apple-excited-241478.php ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread Joshua Shriver
I've always been fascinated with things like this, especially FPGA boards. Though from every article or post I've read concerning (at least chess) and things like FPGA, video cards... the bug speed is to slow to really be effective. -Josh On 3/5/07, Chris Fant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe t

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread terry mcintyre
ectual heavy lifting. Terry McIntyre - Original Message From: Joshua Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: computer-go Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 6:15:32 AM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Go hardware? I've always been fascinated with things like this, especially FPGA boards. Though

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread Joshua Shriver
-letter word "map" hides a good bit of intellectual heavy lifting. Terry McIntyre - Original Message From: Joshua Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: computer-go Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 6:15:32 AM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Go hardware? I've always been fasc

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread Joshua Nye
nsiderable speedups. Of course, that > three-letter word "map" hides a good bit of intellectual heavy lifting. > > Terry McIntyre > > > > > - Original Message > From: Joshua Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: computer-go > Sent: Tuesday, March 6

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread Hellwig Geisse
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 07:58 -0800, terry mcintyre wrote: > However, these beasties are not really programmed, from what I have > read; they are designed. FPGAs are closer to computer circuitry than > to programmable computers. Yes, that's true. But nothing prevents the design of programmable comp

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread dhillismail
] To: computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Go hardware? Aye I wont discredit the power that can be obtained, just how much. Hydra is an interesting beast, but even it with all of it's dedicated FPGA's still has lost to Rybka which ran on

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread Eduardo Sabbatella
gt; > > parallel. > > > > > > As for video cards, providing one can map the > algorithm to the parallel > > > hardware, one may also see considerable > speedups. Of course, that > > > three-letter word "map" hides a good bit of > intell

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread Joshua Shriver
GA array, operating in > > > parallel. > > > > > > As for video cards, providing one can map the > algorithm to the parallel > > > hardware, one may also see considerable > speedups. Of course, that > > > three-letter word "map" hides a good bi

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
leverage economies of scale. Using a x86 core would make for an interesting notebook solution :) /Dan Andersson Ursprungligt meddelande Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 2007-mar-06 18:42 Till: "computer-go" Ärende: Re: [computer-go] Go hardware? Somewhat, I'm excited to... ther

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-06 Thread David Doshay
On 6, Mar 2007, at 8:11 AM, Joshua Nye wrote: Has anyone tried writing code for Go what would work in parallel? SlugGo does parallel lookahead of various possible moves. Would something like NVIDIA CUDA be useful? Hard to tell. There seems to be an underlying assumption that the data is al

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-09 Thread Chris Fant
Wouldn't it be cool if Intel or AMD would release a CPU with a primary core somewhere close to today's state of the art along with oh, say, about 256 lower-tech, existing-design cores. Like 386s or something. Definitely the mini-cores would have to be 32 bit, but they don't need floating point op

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-09 Thread Nick Apperson
This is definately the direction things are headed. Processors are going to eventually have tons of cores. The main problem with the design you mentioned though is that the overhead of having all those processors would almost not make it worth it because of how slow they are. And also, bus spee

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-09 Thread Chris Fant
On 3/9/07, Nick Apperson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is definately the direction things are headed. Processors are going to eventually have tons of cores. The main problem with the design you mentioned though is that the overhead of having all those processors would almost not make it worth

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-10 Thread Chrilly
I thought about to build such a machine into a big FPGA. Lets say 128 softprocessors which are controlled by the ARM-core of the FPGA. Building a softprocessor is relativ trivial. It need not have the quirks of the 0x88. The "natural" size in a XiLinx FPGA is a 16-Bit processor with a 18 Bit in

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-10 Thread compgo123
FGA has it's limitations on speed and size. Paralell has it's practical limitations. The best approach is a Go playing processor. It doesn't exist now, but I'm sure there will be one some day. To make the day coming just a little earlier let's compile a list of what an instruction set and and t

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-10 Thread Chris Fant
8086 instruction set. Anything less and you will have accidentally left something out that you need. On 3/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FGA has it's limitations on speed and size. Paralell has it's practical limitations. The best approach is a Go playing processor. It

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-10 Thread Chris Fant
On 3/10/07, Chris Fant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 8086 instruction set. Anything less and you will have accidentally left something out that you need. Well, let me modify that statement. My point is that there's no point in designing a go-specific instruction set. One should use a proven gen

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-10 Thread Chrilly
the processing is done with FPGAs. CT is a somewhat bigger market than computer Go. Chrilly - Original Message - From: "Chris Fant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "computer-go" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Go hardwar

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-10 Thread Chris Fant
On 3/10/07, Chrilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Developing a new sophisticated state of the art processor e.g. in 90 or even 65nm technologicy is a very complicatetd and especially a very expensive project. This is complety off question for an application like a Go processor. One needs a few milli

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-11 Thread compgo123
, 10 Mar 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Go hardware? On 3/10/07, Chrilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Developing a new sophisticated state of the art processor e.g. in 90 or even > 65nm technologicy is a very complicatetd and especially a very expensive > project. This i

Re: [computer-go] Go hardware?

2007-03-11 Thread steve uurtamo
interestingly, this is the premise upon which i wrote my genetic board evaluator. for what it's worth, writing good go programs using a specialized 'go instruction set' isn't any easier or more intuitive than using, say, 80386 instructions. it just makes certain operations take less 'instruction