On 1/17/12 4:38 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
My apologize, I trusted too much that GnuGo's score estimator would have
handled Chinese rules. So end result was not w+½ but b+½, because black
filled the last dame.
It looks like that indeed mirror go in handicap games is a problem for
gobots. I think
My apologize, I trusted too much that GnuGo's score estimator would have
handled Chinese rules. So end result was not w+½ but b+½, because black
filled the last dame.
It looks like that indeed mirror go in handicap games is a problem for
gobots. I think that if it is abusive then it should be deal
Von: Nick Wedd
> On 16/01/2012 22:58, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote:
> > Has that mirror player been punished?
>
> Playing mirror Go may annoy the opponent, but it is perfectly legal, and
> is not against the KGS Terms of Service. I very much hope that no
> player has been punished for it.
To clarif
On 16/01/2012 22:58, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote:
23 november 2011 Zen19D (5d) vs need9d (4d) (just in case attachment
is removed)
Why is that game no longer in the archives of KGS? See at
http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=need9d&year=2011&month=11
Has that mirror player been punished?
2012/1/17 Yamato
> (2012/01/17 10:45), Jouni Valkonen wrote:
>
>> Aja, you are talking something that has zero relevance for this topic.
>> Zen was winning by ½ point, but it miscalculated in late yose and
>> blundered severely. This was serious endgame bug. This thread has
>> absolutely nothing
(2012/01/17 10:45), Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Aja, you are talking something that has zero relevance for this topic.
Zen was winning by ½ point, but it miscalculated in late yose and
blundered severely. This was serious endgame bug. This thread has
absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the game
OK, I see your point. So it should be Yamato reply the question if he like.
:)
Aja
From: Jouni Valkonen
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:45 PM
To: Aja Huang ; computer-go
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Zen blunder in long mirror go game
Aja, you are talking something that has zero relevance for
the game finally (by filling own territories)
>> because I carelessly set the config with Chinese rules. Anyway, there
>> should be no problem for current strong Go programs on mirror Go strategy
>> in "EVEN or tournament games".
>>
>> Aja
>>
>>
@dvandva.org <mailto:computer-go@dvandva.org>
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Zen blunder in long mirror go game
(2012/01/17 8:43), Michael Williams wrote:
If the author looks at it, could you update us? I'm always
curious
about how such things happen, especial
5:33 PM
To: Aja Huang ; computer-go@dvandva.org
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Zen blunder in long mirror go game
I think that the main problem was not winning or losing a mirrored game but
the blunder in late endgame by playing suicidal move. Perhaps Zen was losing
the game, so this was the reason
oblem for current strong Go programs on mirror Go strategy in "EVEN or
> tournament games".
>
> Aja
>
> -原始郵件- From: Yamato
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:16 PM
> To: computer-go@dvandva.org
> Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Zen blunder in long mirror go game
EN or
tournament games".
Aja
-原始郵件-
From: Yamato
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:16 PM
To: computer-go@dvandva.org
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Zen blunder in long mirror go game
(2012/01/17 8:43), Michael Williams wrote:
If the author looks at it, could you update us? I'm
(2012/01/17 8:43), Michael Williams wrote:
If the author looks at it, could you update us? I'm always curious
about how such things happen, especially in a bot as strong as Zen.
Honestly I don't want to spend a lot of time on this type of problem.
--
Yamato
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If the author looks at it, could you update us? I'm always curious about
how such things happen, especially in a bot as strong as Zen.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Andy wrote:
> Date is wrong. Here is the game on KGS:
>
> http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/11/3/Zen19D-need9d-3.sgf
>
> htt
Date is wrong. Here is the game on KGS:
http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/11/3/Zen19D-need9d-3.sgf
http://eidogo.com/#url:http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/11/3/Zen19D-need9d-3.sgf
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:58 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de>wrote:
> > 23 november 2011 Zen19D (5d) v
> 23 november 2011 Zen19D (5d) vs need9d (4d) (just in case attachment
> is removed)
Why is that game no longer in the archives of KGS? See at
http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=need9d&year=2011&month=11
Has that mirror player been punished?
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NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartari
Hello,
no chance for John Tromp to use such an approach.
In that game komi was 0.5, but John has (tonight)
play against 7.5.
> One weird mistake of zen (5d) against a 4d player on kgs, who played
> mirror till the end except last move, where Zen self-remove liberties on
> a string, thus breakin
Hi
One weird mistake of zen (5d) against a 4d player on kgs, who played
mirror till the end except last move, where Zen self-remove liberties on
a string, thus breaking seki and causing Zen to resign
23 november 2011 Zen19D (5d) vs need9d (4d) (just in case attachment
is removed)
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