Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-16 Thread tjpa
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:27 AM, mike wrote: Tmobile and ATT are the worst for coverage, they aren't even in the same ballpark. I have T-Mobile. The only places where I did not get service were underground in the DC Metro and in one monumental building along the Mall. Last month my T-Mobile

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-16 Thread mike
Great! And? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:11 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:27 AM, mike wrote: Tmobile and ATT are the worst for coverage, they aren't even in the same ballpark. I have T-Mobile. The only places where I did not get service were underground in the DC

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-15 Thread b_s-wilk
I recently saw a chart that showed the standard for all countries in the world that support Cell phones. CDMA is used outside the US, but it is not as popular as GSM. CDMA is also used by Sprint. When I was in Canada I could use my Verizon phone in a number of places. It was only when I got

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-15 Thread db
I live in seattle and have had Tmobile for a number of years. It used to have spotty coverage in certain areas 5 years ago but now it seems fine to me and as you say I like their phones and especially their customer service and now ESPECIALLY their rates. ($49 / mo + tax for unlimited

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-15 Thread Ellen Rains Harris
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults I recently saw a chart that showed the standard for all countries in the world that support Cell phones. CDMA is used outside the US

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-14 Thread b_s-wilk
I'm not a customer either, I wouldn't pay my cellular carrier for the privilege of mapping how bad their network is. It's not about politician or technologist, it's about being a shill or apologist. I'm neither...I'm a customer, I pay for a service. I'm glad the network I'm on doesn't have

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-14 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That is not totally true. I recently saw a chart that showed the standard for all countries in the world that support Cell phones. CDMA is used outside the US, but it is not as popular as GSM. CDMA is also used by Sprint. When I was in Canada I could use my Verizon phone in a number of

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-14 Thread mike
I'm not sure 'proactive' has the same meaning to you as it does me. It surely doesn't have any meaning to ATT. So when you are out of range of Tmobile, you pay nothing extra and get 3g connectivity? Tmobile and ATT together have a smaller 3g footprint than Verizon or Sprint on their own. Take

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-13 Thread tjpa
On Dec 12, 2009, at 6:21 PM, John A. Newitt wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13digi.html?hpw The results place ATT’s data network not just on top, but well ahead of everyone else. “ATT’s data throughput is 40 to 50 percent higher than the competition, including Verizon,”

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-13 Thread mike
So we'll see bad 3g everywhere with Verizon? And ATT will look better because they can only offer bad 3g in a couple places? I like where it says ATT won't criticize Apple...but they have no problem blasting their own customers. I'd like to see some of these stats somewhere other then the NYT,

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-13 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 7:50 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a customer either, I wouldn't pay my cellular carrier for the privilege of mapping how bad their network is. It's not about politician or technologist, it's about being a shill or apologist. I'm neither...I'm a customer,

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-13 Thread mike
Oh I get very well why they are doing it. But would you really put up with this? ATT has known about this issue since the first six months of the iPhone release, if by now they still don't know where calls are getting dropped, what have they been doing all this time? Well recently they have

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-13 Thread tjpa
On Dec 13, 2009, at 2:02 PM, mike wrote: ATT offers the single most popular smartphone, beyond that, every network now has virtually the same phones...so no, Verizon doesn't offer the worst phones. Why You Can’t Get a Good Phone With Verizon | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-13 Thread mike
All information prior to Android. The lineups on the carriers changes, Verizon was a few weeks late to the Android game, but now offer 3, on top of the blackberry and WM phones every other carrier has. They don't have an iPhone...but only ATT have that. So can you point to something that is

[CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-12 Thread John A. Newitt
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13digi.html?hpw - John -- * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-12 Thread mike
Well the funniest part is now the app for that, is an ATT app that after you've been dropped lets you notify ATT...that you've been dropped. So, they dump resources into having their customers do RD for them about the quality of their network. Maybe for each time you send in the info, you get a

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-12 Thread tjpa
On Dec 12, 2009, at 6:38 PM, mike wrote: Well the funniest part is now the app for that, is an ATT app that after you've been dropped lets you notify ATT...that you've been dropped. So, they dump resources into having their customers do RD for them about the quality of their network.

Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults

2009-12-12 Thread mike
I'm not a customer either, I wouldn't pay my cellular carrier for the privilege of mapping how bad their network is. It's not about politician or technologist, it's about being a shill or apologist. I'm neither...I'm a customer, I pay for a service. I'm glad the network I'm on doesn't have such