Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:51 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Windows update doesn't use IE anymore...hasn't for over two years. Since vista came out. Even for XP? -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o)

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-16 Thread Frank Sestir
XP Windows update still expects you to be using IE, but you can use the IE TABS to get it to work in Firefox. John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:51 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Windows update doesn't use IE anymore...hasn't for over two years. Since vista came out.

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread David K Watson
From:mike xha...@gmail.com I like how once again Apple is forcing users to upgrade their OS if they want to run the newest Safari. Good thing they have no market share to speak of. It looks like either you or somebody you read saw that one option for getting Safari is via the

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread mike
Well decent is relative I suppose. Hundreds of millions of windows users and 6 million using safari isn't a huge number. Was the number 8.43% including mobile? Perhaps I wasn't clear, a new version of safari is shipping with snow cat, this version of safari won't run on earlier versions of os

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread t.piwowar
Apple will commonly issue different installers for different versions of the OS. The installer for the older OS version will install additional libraries that won't be needed with newer OS versions because those libraries are included with the OS. Safari 4 is already out. Web developers

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread mike
Well what I know, and what I've read in blogs and heard on podcasts are different. I understand from watching/reading/listening to tech news that the version of Safari that is shipped with snow cat won't be able to be installed on leopard. This just seems an oddity to me. You even imply in your

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread mike
Well in my defense, it's exceedingly difficult to keep up with your changing of the subject just enough to make your argument so 'you win' no matter what. It's interesting that the irony of the fact that safari is so tied to the OS that it can't be run on previous OS's is lost completely on mac

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Apparently the Snow Leopard version of Safari 4.0 is a 64 bit application which won't run in the previous versions of OSX. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:39 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Apple will commonly issue different installers for different versions of the OS. The installer for the

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread mike
Except previous versions can run 64 bit code just fine. Look, I just thought it odd...I wasn't meaning to start a whole big deal about it. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 4:20 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: Apparently the Snow Leopard version of Safari 4.0 is a 64 bit application

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread t.piwowar
To waste our time with more fictitious Mac problems, Mike now feigns inability to distinguish the number 32 from the number 64. On Jun 15, 2009, at 7:33 PM, mike wrote: Except previous versions can run 64 bit code just fine. Look, I just thought it odd...I wasn't meaning to start a whole big

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread mike
I'll assume you don't realize, but you can run 64 bit code in leopard. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:03 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: To waste our time with more fictitious Mac problems, Mike now feigns inability to distinguish the number 32 from the number 64. On Jun 15, 2009, at 7:33 PM,

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread Alvin Auerbach
AFAIK, All software is linked to an operating system. Apple software is not intricately linked; that is, it is very easy to run the OS without any other installed software; removing any application, even those supplied by Apple, is easy and does not adversely affect the OS.

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread Fred Holmes
Put wget on each machine, and a whole bunch of batch files with a single GUI interface to wget such that the installer/user can click on the browser of choice and download it. Then folks will complain about the ordering of the picklist. The real question is whether users will have to install

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-15 Thread mike
Windows update doesn't use IE anymore...hasn't for over two years. Since vista came out. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: Put wget on each machine, and a whole bunch of batch files with a single GUI interface to wget such that the installer/user can click on

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Dunford
Will their contract with M$ allow that? On Jun 13, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Jordan wrote: Why wouldn't an EU computer vendor just put Firefox or other browser on the computers they sell? What's the problem? Am I missing something? Without looking back at it now, my recollection is that the

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-14 Thread t.piwowar
So you think the reporter who wrote the article had access to all the OEM contracts? On Jun 14, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Without looking back at it now, my recollection is that the article said something along the lines of OEMs can install a browser or multiple browsers, not

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-14 Thread mike
Knowing reporters tdoay, if he had access, he would not have read them. On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:21 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: So you think the reporter who wrote the article had access to all the OEM contracts? On Jun 14, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Without looking

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-14 Thread t.piwowar
Evasive answer. On Jun 14, 2009, at 12:39 PM, mike wrote: Knowing reporters tdoay, if he had access, he would not have read them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Dunford
So you think the reporter who wrote the article had access to all the OEM contracts? No, what I think is that it's what MS said in the memo. So you won't be inconvenienced at all by having to click the link, I'll do it for you and copy in the appropriate excerpt: 'To ensure that Microsoft is

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-14 Thread mike
I like how once again Apple is forcing users to upgrade their OS if they want to run the newest Safari. Good thing they have no market share to speak of. On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: So you think the reporter who wrote the article had access to all

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-14 Thread t.piwowar
Strange comment. I guess you don't know how computers work. On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, mike wrote: I like how once again Apple is forcing users to upgrade their OS if they want to run the newest Safari. Good thing they have no market share to speak of.

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-14 Thread mike
Enlighten us. On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:54 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Strange comment. I guess you don't know how computers work. On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, mike wrote: I like how once again Apple is forcing users to upgrade their OS if they want to run the newest Safari. Good

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-13 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 13, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: It's EU arrogance wrapped in a blanket! You like? Looks more like M$ arrogance to me. There is a certain appeal for giving the EU bureaucrats exactly what the asked for, but it

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-13 Thread Jordan
Why wouldn't an EU computer vendor just put Firefox or other browser on the computers they sell? What's the problem? Am I missing something? t.piwowar wrote: Looks more like M$ arrogance to me. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-13 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Nope they can do just that. But anyone who bought a box of 7 would have no browser unless they had one on a disc/thumbdrive somewhere. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-13 Thread t.piwowar
Will their contract with M$ allow that? On Jun 13, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Jordan wrote: Why wouldn't an EU computer vendor just put Firefox or other browser on the computers they sell? What's the problem? Am I missing something?

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-12 Thread Chris Dunford
So much smarter than those regulators from Old Europe, M$ has announced that the European version of Win 7 will ship with no software to access the Internet. Take that you croissant eaters who think you would simply download FireFox. Maybe you'll be able to get a copy via the post?

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-12 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: You only mentioned one of the two CNET stories. Why am I not surprised? You mean this one... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10262913-56.html Opera lashes out over Microsoft's browser removal The situation is even more precarious for those

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-12 Thread mike
Yeah..this all looks to make sense except one problem. Firefox. Damn those guys keep continuing to make inroads into windows. Maybe the opera guys should realize...they just suck and have turned into whiney little boys. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-12 Thread t.piwowar
Opera is quite nice. It is especially fast. Lots of thoughtful features. I like it and use it about 10% of the time just for the pleasure. On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:57 PM, mike wrote: Yeah..this all looks to make sense except one problem. Firefox. Damn those guys keep continuing to make

[CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

2009-06-11 Thread t.piwowar
So much smarter than those regulators from Old Europe, M$ has announced that the European version of Win 7 will ship with no software to access the Internet. Take that you croissant eaters who think you would simply download FireFox. Maybe you'll be able to get a copy via the post?