There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Latest SpecGram: The Morphome Issue
From: Alex Fink
1b. Re: Latest SpecGram: The Morphome Issue
From: David Peterson
2.1. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Tony Harris
2.2. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Carsten Becker
2.3. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: neo gu
2.4. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Garth Wallace
2.5. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Gary Shannon
2.6. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Tony Harris
2.7. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Daniel Bowman
2.8. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: And Rosta
2.9. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Daniel Nielsen
2.10. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Gary Shannon
2.11. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Matthew Turnbull
2.12. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Karen Badham
2.13. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: MorphemeAddict
2.14. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Garth Wallace
2.15. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: Noelle Morris
2.16. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: MorphemeAddict
2.17. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
From: R A Brown
3a. Re: Celticity?
From: R A Brown
4a. Multimodality
From: Richard Littauer
4b. Re: Multimodality
From: Matthew Turnbull
4c. XKCD Lobjan
From: Samuel Stutter
4d. XKCD Lobjan
From: Samuel Stutter
5.1. Re: Celtic & other myths (was: Celticity?)
From: And Rosta
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1a. Re: Latest SpecGram: The Morphome Issue
Posted by: "Alex Fink" 000...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:06 am ((PDT))
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 01:01:49 -0700, David Peterson <deda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>At the end of this month, there's going to be a workshop in Portugal
>dedicated entirely to the theoretical notion of the "morphome":
>
>http://www.uc.pt/uid/celga/workshop_morphome
>
>As a tribute, SpecGram decided to devote an entire issue to the
>morphome:
>
>http://specgram.com/CLX.1/
>
>The morphome has come up here before, so I thought I'd share.
>(Not because I think this issue will clear anything up. Far, far from
>it, in fact.)
Has it? Man, I read the issue last night after getting Trey's (automated?)
announcement, and figured that one of the SpecGram cabal must have invented
the morphome for its purposes -- my suspicions were on you, actually.
Evidently my faith should've been shaken a little bit more by all the
earnest citations of Aronoff 1994.
Several very nice things in this issue, anyhow, kudos.
The earlier thread on the morphome, which I was here for but clearly totally
forgot, is
http://archives.conlang.info/ghu/terdhua/tree.html
I should probably read up on this stuff a little -- I've been realising,
while musing about plans for my language generators, that I'd need a level
like (how I understand one version of) the morphome, sitting between the
generation of the set of categories that a word class inflects for and the
generation of the morphophonological processes, so that a given "morpheme"
i.e. system of morphs can be involved in expressing an interesting selection
of categories. Probably something to do the same for stem shapes, too
(that's another version of the morphome, isn't it).
Is there anything in the literature that you'd recommend reading? that's
insightful, beyond just noting that these phenomena exist (... or trying to
figure out where to shove them in an extant theoretical apparatus)?
Alex
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1b. Re: Latest SpecGram: The Morphome Issue
Posted by: "David Peterson" deda...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:35 pm ((PDT))
On Oct 1, 2010, at 8◊11 AM, Alex Fink wrote:
> Is there anything in the literature that you'd recommend reading? that's
> insightful, beyond just noting that these phenomena exist (... or trying to
> figure out where to shove them in an extant theoretical apparatus)?
Anderson, Stephen. 1991. A-morphous Morphology. Cambridge U. Press.
Aronoff, Mark. 1994. Morphology By Itself. MIT Press.
Blevins, Jim. 2009. Analogy in Grammar: Form and Acquisition. Oxford.
Bochner, Harry. 1993. Simplicity in generative grammar. Mouton de Gruyter.
Stump, Gregory. 2001. Inflectional Morphology: A theory of paradigm structure.
Cambridge U. Press.
Farrell Ackerman and Stump have a new one out called Paradigms and Periphrasis
that's probably got the absolute current state of things (at the time being),
but I haven't read any of it. (Saw much of Jim Blevins book in a
pre-publication form.)
-David
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2.1. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Tony Harris" t...@alurhsa.org
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:07 am ((PDT))
Well, no, but my pin is within a few hundred feet of where my house
actually is. Yeah, took me a while too, I kept ending up in the
Atlantic when I tried to zoom and wondering why the entire map was just
solid blue! :-)
On 10/01/2010 11:46 AM, neo gu wrote:
> You mean you can enter exact addresses? Using the pin, it took me several
> tries just to get out of the gulf stream onto dry land!
>
> --
> YOa
>
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:09:11 -0400, Tony Harris<t...@alurhsa.org>
> wrote:
>> Done. I confess I was a little reluctant, then realized that my
>> address is right out there for anyone to find if they do a whois on my
>> domain, and then they could pop that into mapquest or google maps and
>> get directions right to the house, so it's not like I was revealing
>> anything currently private.
>>
>>
>> On 09/28/2010 09:01 PM, Sai wrote:
>>> frappr.com/conlang is long dead, alas. And I'd like to know who's near
>>> me. So I've made a new one with Google Maps - hopefully it won't die.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Please go add yourself now:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/conlangmap
>>>
>>> Thanks& enjoy,
>>> - Sai
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2.2. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Carsten Becker" carb...@googlemail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:17 am ((PDT))
Am 29.09.2010 04:09 schrieb Tony Harris:
> then realized that my address is right out there for anyone to find if
> they do a whois on my domain, and then they could pop that into
> mapquest or google maps and get directions right to the house, so it's
> not like I was revealing anything currently private.
Same here, basically, since the German legislative TTBOMK demands to
have an imprint clearly stating your address, telephone number, and/or
main contact email address if you have a public homepage. I guess it's
to make clear who to hold liable for legal offenses... I still didn't
see the point in putting the pin on the map exactly where I live,
though, so I just put it right under where it says "Marburg", which is
enough IMO.
Cheers
Carsten
--
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2.3. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "neo gu" qiihos...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:19 am ((PDT))
You mean you can enter exact addresses? Using the pin, it took me several
tries just to get out of the gulf stream onto dry land!
--
YOa
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:09:11 -0400, Tony Harris <t...@alurhsa.org>
wrote:
>
> Done. I confess I was a little reluctant, then realized that my
>address is right out there for anyone to find if they do a whois on my
>domain, and then they could pop that into mapquest or google maps and
>get directions right to the house, so it's not like I was revealing
>anything currently private.
>
>
>On 09/28/2010 09:01 PM, Sai wrote:
>> frappr.com/conlang is long dead, alas. And I'd like to know who's near
>> me. So I've made a new one with Google Maps - hopefully it won't die.
>> ;-)
>>
>> Please go add yourself now:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/conlangmap
>>
>> Thanks& enjoy,
>> - Sai
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2.4. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Garth Wallace" gwa...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:54 am ((PDT))
I just put it right on the name of my town. It's nowhere near my actual house.
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tony Harris <t...@alurhsa.org> wrote:
> Well, no, but my pin is within a few hundred feet of where my house
> actually is. Yeah, took me a while too, I kept ending up in the Atlantic
> when I tried to zoom and wondering why the entire map was just solid blue!
> :-)
>
> On 10/01/2010 11:46 AM, neo gu wrote:
>>
>> You mean you can enter exact addresses? Using the pin, it took me several
>> tries just to get out of the gulf stream onto dry land!
>>
>> --
>> YOa
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:09:11 -0400, Tony Harris<t...@alurhsa.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Done. I confess I was a little reluctant, then realized that my
>>> address is right out there for anyone to find if they do a whois on my
>>> domain, and then they could pop that into mapquest or google maps and
>>> get directions right to the house, so it's not like I was revealing
>>> anything currently private.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/28/2010 09:01 PM, Sai wrote:
>>>>
>>>> frappr.com/conlang is long dead, alas. And I'd like to know who's near
>>>> me. So I've made a new one with Google Maps - hopefully it won't die.
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Please go add yourself now:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/conlangmap
>>>>
>>>> Thanks& enjoy,
>>>> - Sai
>
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2.5. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" fizi...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 11:40 am ((PDT))
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Garth Wallace <gwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just put it right on the name of my town. It's nowhere near my actual house.
I put mine in the center of town, but given that my whole town is
about half a mile from end to end, the pin is within a five minute
walk of my house.
--gary
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2.6. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Tony Harris" t...@alurhsa.org
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 11:48 am ((PDT))
"Town" works differently here in rural New England. It's more like
"Township". The center of the town I live in, called the "village", is
maybe a dozen buildings including the firestation, town hall, church,
school, historical society, and a general store. But the actual town is
a 38 square mile block with a lot of woods, mountains, and hills, a
small network of mostly dirt roads, a population of about 900 people,
and houses scattered all through it, sometimes nestled a bit off the
road, sometimes tucked *way* off the road, and occasionally quite ways
off the electric and telephone grid as well.
On 10/01/2010 02:36 PM, Gary Shannon wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Garth Wallace<gwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just put it right on the name of my town. It's nowhere near my actual
>> house.
> I put mine in the center of town, but given that my whole town is
> about half a mile from end to end, the pin is within a five minute
> walk of my house.
>
> --gary
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2.7. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Daniel Bowman" danny.c.bow...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 12:04 pm ((PDT))
Yeah, your New England "towns" have been confusing to me. In New Mexico,
one can usually see all of the town at once, and each town is separated by
miles of desert.
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Tony Harris <t...@alurhsa.org> wrote:
> "Town" works differently here in rural New England. It's more like
> "Township". The center of the town I live in, called the "village", is
> maybe a dozen buildings including the firestation, town hall, church,
> school, historical society, and a general store. But the actual town is a
> 38 square mile block with a lot of woods, mountains, and hills, a small
> network of mostly dirt roads, a population of about 900 people, and houses
> scattered all through it, sometimes nestled a bit off the road, sometimes
> tucked *way* off the road, and occasionally quite ways off the electric and
> telephone grid as well.
>
>
>
> On 10/01/2010 02:36 PM, Gary Shannon wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Garth Wallace<gwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just put it right on the name of my town. It's nowhere near my actual
>>> house.
>>>
>> I put mine in the center of town, but given that my whole town is
>> about half a mile from end to end, the pin is within a five minute
>> walk of my house.
>>
>> --gary
>>
>
--
Ayryea zakayro al Gayaltha
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2.8. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "And Rosta" and.ro...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 12:43 pm ((PDT))
My pin is (with satellite view) on top of the umbrella in my garden, beneath
which I sit, smoke Italian cigars, and enjoy my most pleasant, tranquil and
fecund cogitation. From above, it just looks like an umbrella. Beneath, it is a
veritable paradise, a sublime arcady. (An arcady that, I concede, lacks the
grandeur of the Utah mountains that I discover surround Dirk, or of the
enormous forest in the midst of which hides unseen the fastness of Rick
Harrison, or of the apparently submarine domain of John Vertical, above which
pass ships of the Viking Line, oblivious to the language inventing taking place
deep in the dark green Baltic waters beneath.)
--And.
Garth Wallace, On 01/10/2010 18:38:
> I just put it right on the name of my town. It's nowhere near my actual house.
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tony Harris <t...@alurhsa.org> wrote:
>> Well, no, but my pin is within a few hundred feet of where my house
>> actually is. Yeah, took me a while too, I kept ending up in the Atlantic
>> when I tried to zoom and wondering why the entire map was just solid blue!
>> :-)
>>
>> On 10/01/2010 11:46 AM, neo gu wrote:
>>> You mean you can enter exact addresses? Using the pin, it took me several
>>> tries just to get out of the gulf stream onto dry land!
>>>
>>> --
>>> YOa
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:09:11 -0400, Tony Harris<t...@alurhsa.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Done. I confess I was a little reluctant, then realized that my
>>>> address is right out there for anyone to find if they do a whois on my
>>>> domain, and then they could pop that into mapquest or google maps and
>>>> get directions right to the house, so it's not like I was revealing
>>>> anything currently private.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/28/2010 09:01 PM, Sai wrote:
>>>>> frappr.com/conlang is long dead, alas. And I'd like to know who's near
>>>>> me. So I've made a new one with Google Maps - hopefully it won't die.
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please go add yourself now:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/conlangmap
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks& enjoy,
>>>>> - Sai
>
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2.9. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Daniel Nielsen" niel...@uah.edu
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:04 pm ((PDT))
There are two Ands living in the same town.. Have we been deceived by a pair
of wily twins?
Does John Vertical intend to send us out to sea?
Do most of us really conlang while standing in the middle of the street?
Tune in next time..
Dan N
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:40 PM, And Rosta <and.ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My pin is (with satellite view) on top of the umbrella in my garden,
> beneath which I sit, smoke Italian cigars, and enjoy my most pleasant,
> tranquil and fecund cogitation. From above, it just looks like an umbrella.
> Beneath, it is a veritable paradise, a sublime arcady. (An arcady that, I
> concede, lacks the grandeur of the Utah mountains that I discover surround
> Dirk, or of the enormous forest in the midst of which hides unseen the
> fastness of Rick Harrison, or of the apparently submarine domain of John
> Vertical, above which pass ships of the Viking Line, oblivious to the
> language inventing taking place deep in the dark green Baltic waters
> beneath.)
>
> --And.
>
> Garth Wallace, On 01/10/2010 18:38:
>
> I just put it right on the name of my town. It's nowhere near my actual
>> house.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tony Harris <t...@alurhsa.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, no, but my pin is within a few hundred feet of where my house
>>> actually is. Yeah, took me a while too, I kept ending up in the Atlantic
>>> when I tried to zoom and wondering why the entire map was just solid
>>> blue!
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> On 10/01/2010 11:46 AM, neo gu wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mean you can enter exact addresses? Using the pin, it took me
>>>> several
>>>> tries just to get out of the gulf stream onto dry land!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> YOa
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:09:11 -0400, Tony Harris<t...@alurhsa.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Done. I confess I was a little reluctant, then realized that my
>>>>> address is right out there for anyone to find if they do a whois on my
>>>>> domain, and then they could pop that into mapquest or google maps and
>>>>> get directions right to the house, so it's not like I was revealing
>>>>> anything currently private.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/28/2010 09:01 PM, Sai wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> frappr.com/conlang is long dead, alas. And I'd like to know who's
>>>>>> near
>>>>>> me. So I've made a new one with Google Maps - hopefully it won't die.
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please go add yourself now:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/conlangmap
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks& enjoy,
>>>>>> - Sai
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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2.10. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" fizi...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:27 pm ((PDT))
I just got back from my daily walk, which took me through the middle
of town today, and out of curiosity I timed one particularly dramatic
leg of my walk and found that walking at a brisk pace I can get from
the front door of City Hall in the heart of downtown to the edge of
the nearest 50-acre stand of corn in just under 3 minutes. Yet as far
out in the sticks as I am, I'm still only a 15 minute drive from the
University of Oregon and their fine library. Definitely the best of
both worlds.
--gary
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Tony Harris <t...@alurhsa.org> wrote:
> "Town" works differently here in rural New England. It's more like
> "Township". The center of the town I live in, called the "village", is
> maybe a dozen buildings including the firestation, town hall, church,
> school, historical society, and a general store. But the actual town is a
> 38 square mile block with a lot of woods, mountains, and hills, a small
> network of mostly dirt roads, a population of about 900 people, and houses
> scattered all through it, sometimes nestled a bit off the road, sometimes
> tucked *way* off the road, and occasionally quite ways off the electric and
> telephone grid as well.
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2.11. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Matthew Turnbull" ave....@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:48 pm ((PDT))
Apparently I live in the middle of my driveway, ah well
Plus if I move like I'm probably going to soon, what do I do then? Can I
just change it to read my new location?
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2.12. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Karen Badham" ktbad...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:04 pm ((PDT))
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Matthew Turnbull <ave....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently I live in the middle of my driveway, ah well
> Plus if I move like I'm probably going to soon, what do I do then? Can I
> just change it to read my new location?
>
You can change your location on there. I was messing with it several times
yesterday. I eventually settled on putting it on the house where I lived
while in college.
-Karen Terry
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2.13. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" lytl...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:04 pm ((PDT))
I tried to add myself, but couldn't find the "blue marker icon". What does
it look like? There's nothing like the teardrop shapes that everyone's look
like.
stevo
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Sai <s...@saizai.com> wrote:
> Slight edit to the instructions:
>
> 1. For name, please list your handle or alternate names people in the
> community would know you by.
>
> 2. For details, list your website/email and conlang projects.
>
> Lots of folk don't have a website yet (hint,
> http://conlang.org/hosting.php), or don't want to publish their email;
> just list what you do have and want to share.
>
> Or, y'know, other salient stuff you feel like writing there. It's just
> a suggestion. :-P
>
> 3. Mind that you can always fudge your location, if you don't feel
> like giving it exactly. The point is more to know who's in the general
> area. ;-)
>
> Thanks,
> - Sai
>
> PS Patrick: We totally should. I met two earlier today at UoC.
>
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2.14. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Garth Wallace" gwa...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:27 pm ((PDT))
It's at the top of the map, between the hand icon button and the
fever-chart icon button. To the right of the compass rose/pan button,
and left of the "Traffic" button.
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:01 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I tried to add myself, but couldn't find the "blue marker icon". What does
> it look like? There's nothing like the teardrop shapes that everyone's look
> like.
>
> stevo
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Sai <s...@saizai.com> wrote:
>
>> Slight edit to the instructions:
>>
>> 1. For name, please list your handle or alternate names people in the
>> community would know you by.
>>
>> 2. For details, list your website/email and conlang projects.
>>
>> Lots of folk don't have a website yet (hint,
>> http://conlang.org/hosting.php), or don't want to publish their email;
>> just list what you do have and want to share.
>>
>> Or, y'know, other salient stuff you feel like writing there. It's just
>> a suggestion. :-P
>>
>> 3. Mind that you can always fudge your location, if you don't feel
>> like giving it exactly. The point is more to know who's in the general
>> area. ;-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Sai
>>
>> PS Patrick: We totally should. I met two earlier today at UoC.
>>
>
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2.15. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "Noelle Morris" rhaman...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:41 pm ((PDT))
When I first stuck my pin in, I just zoomed in enough to where my city (Las
Vegas) was visible as a dot on the map; I didn't think to put it close to my
actual house. I just checked where the pin is, and apparently, I live at the
MGM Grand (in what looks like the Monorail, but I can't be certain). I think
I shall move it to a more closer approximation (although I am limiting it to
major cross-streets).
Noelle (who delurks for the most inane reasons...)
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Nielsen <niel...@uah.edu> wrote:
> There are two Ands living in the same town.. Have we been deceived by a
> pair
> of wily twins?
> Does John Vertical intend to send us out to sea?
> Do most of us really conlang while standing in the middle of the street?
> Tune in next time..
>
> Dan N
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:40 PM, And Rosta <and.ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My pin is (with satellite view) on top of the umbrella in my garden,
> > beneath which I sit, smoke Italian cigars, and enjoy my most pleasant,
> > tranquil and fecund cogitation. From above, it just looks like an
> umbrella.
> > Beneath, it is a veritable paradise, a sublime arcady. (An arcady that, I
> > concede, lacks the grandeur of the Utah mountains that I discover
> surround
> > Dirk, or of the enormous forest in the midst of which hides unseen the
> > fastness of Rick Harrison, or of the apparently submarine domain of John
> > Vertical, above which pass ships of the Viking Line, oblivious to the
> > language inventing taking place deep in the dark green Baltic waters
> > beneath.)
> >
> > --And.
> >
> > Garth Wallace, On 01/10/2010 18:38:
> >
> > I just put it right on the name of my town. It's nowhere near my actual
> >> house.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tony Harris <t...@alurhsa.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, no, but my pin is within a few hundred feet of where my house
> >>> actually is. Yeah, took me a while too, I kept ending up in the
> Atlantic
> >>> when I tried to zoom and wondering why the entire map was just solid
> >>> blue!
> >>> :-)
> >>>
> >>> On 10/01/2010 11:46 AM, neo gu wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> You mean you can enter exact addresses? Using the pin, it took me
> >>>> several
> >>>> tries just to get out of the gulf stream onto dry land!
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> YOa
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:09:11 -0400, Tony Harris<t...@alurhsa.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Done. I confess I was a little reluctant, then realized that my
> >>>>> address is right out there for anyone to find if they do a whois on
> my
> >>>>> domain, and then they could pop that into mapquest or google maps and
> >>>>> get directions right to the house, so it's not like I was revealing
> >>>>> anything currently private.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 09/28/2010 09:01 PM, Sai wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> frappr.com/conlang is long dead, alas. And I'd like to know who's
> >>>>>> near
> >>>>>> me. So I've made a new one with Google Maps - hopefully it won't
> die.
> >>>>>> ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please go add yourself now:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/conlangmap
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks& enjoy,
> >>>>>> - Sai
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
>
--
- Rhamantus
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2.16. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" lytl...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 7:02 pm ((PDT))
Okay, I've added myself to the map. (Clicking "edit" helped a lot.)
stevo
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Garth Wallace <gwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's at the top of the map, between the hand icon button and the
> fever-chart icon button. To the right of the compass rose/pan button,
> and left of the "Traffic" button.
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:01 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I tried to add myself, but couldn't find the "blue marker icon". What
> does
> > it look like? There's nothing like the teardrop shapes that everyone's
> look
> > like.
> >
> > stevo
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Sai <s...@saizai.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Slight edit to the instructions:
> >>
> >> 1. For name, please list your handle or alternate names people in the
> >> community would know you by.
> >>
> >> 2. For details, list your website/email and conlang projects.
> >>
> >> Lots of folk don't have a website yet (hint,
> >> http://conlang.org/hosting.php), or don't want to publish their email;
> >> just list what you do have and want to share.
> >>
> >> Or, y'know, other salient stuff you feel like writing there. It's just
> >> a suggestion. :-P
> >>
> >> 3. Mind that you can always fudge your location, if you don't feel
> >> like giving it exactly. The point is more to know who's in the general
> >> area. ;-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> - Sai
> >>
> >> PS Patrick: We totally should. I met two earlier today at UoC.
> >>
> >
>
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2.17. Re: Worldwide conlanger locations map, v2
Posted by: "R A Brown" r...@carolandray.plus.com
Date: Sat Oct 2, 2010 12:12 am ((PDT))
On 01/10/2010 20:40, And Rosta wrote:
> My pin is (with satellite view) on top of the umbrella in
> my garden, beneath which I sit, smoke Italian cigars, and
Good for you. But ...
[snip]
> Harrison, or of the apparently submarine domain of John
> Vertical, above which pass ships of the Viking Line,
> oblivious to the language inventing taking place deep in
> the dark green Baltic waters beneath.)
I can understand why people may apparently be located in
strange places. I tried to add myself this morning. I zoomed
in and in and in - and got exited when the map showed my
road and then it changed to street view. It bore not the
slightest resemblance to the street I live in, even tho it
said it was that street! What's up with Google maps?
In the end, rather than finish up in a garden shed or who
knows what in this alien street, I just signed out.
Sigh - maybe I'll have another try sometime.
--
Ray
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3a. Re: Celticity?
Posted by: "R A Brown" r...@carolandray.plus.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:41 am ((PDT))
On 23/09/2010 10:51, Lars Finsen wrote:
> Den 23. sep. 2010 kl. 10.17 skreiv R A Brown:
>>
>> It seems to be a general feeling that there is a
>> 'celticity' about the following:
>> Nésadach anadi duidon!
>> Nésadach anadi galadon!
>> Nésadach ôni anadi ellidon ei odeidon,
>> ei deinach ôni uilé riholem éireamhóinen!
>>
>> Why?
>
> It looks somewhat like Gaelic, I guess. It's only a very
> superficial visual resemblance, but the impression we get
> through our eyes is important to us people, you know. It's
> the fadas and the -achs that do it, I think.
>
> But Sindarin sure is what it looks like the most!
That's interesting. Tolkien, in fact, did not like the
Gaelic languages and found them ugly. Sindarin owes nothing
to them; but it does obviously have a Welsh resonance. But
one the ingredients of Sindarin is also Old English, and
that seems to be overlooked.
It seems to work like: Sindarin has a Welsh feel; Welsh is
Celtic, therefore Sindarin has a Celtic feel.
The -ach ending, of course, could also be an echo of Welsh.
Both _ellidon_ and _galadon_ 'feel' Welsh or Sindarin. But
_éireamhóinen_ doesn't; in fact it looks distinctly
Irish/Gaelic, even to the point of apparently obeying the
'broad to broad and slender to slender' rule ;)
>
>> Does the following have the air of 'celticity' or not?
>> Friko bras a zo hiviz e ti Tad-kozh. Pedet eo bet gantañ e
>> vugale hag e vugale-vihan. Mamm-gozh he deus poazhet daou
>> gilhog er forn.
>
> It's Breton for "The great wedding-party is today at
> grandpa's house. His children and grandchildren have been
> invited. Grandma has cooked two cockerels on the oven."
Darn it! You've given the game away ;)
> Fun! I still remember a bit of this.
> (Should be hiziv in place of hiviz, I think.)
You're correct. A touch of dyslexia on my part! Yes, it
comes from "Herve ha Nora" book 2.
But what I was hoping was that some, at least, would object
that _k_ and _z_ and _zh_ ain't Celtic.
Would anyone have spotted the 'un-Celtic' perfect tense with
"to have" + past participle (Hey! Isn't the proper Celtic
thing "after" + verbnoun!)?
I guess I should've done a sort of Bretonish conlang.
>
> You keep quoting this:
>>
>> "'Celtic' of any sort is, nonetheless, a magic bag, into
>> which anything may be put, and out of which almost anything
>> may come. ... Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic
>> twilight, which is not so much a twilight of the gods as of
>> the reason."
>
> Do you disagree with the definition of Gaelic, Manx, Welsh,
> Cornish, Breton and Gaulish as Celtic?
It would, in my opinion, have been better if Edward Lhuyd
had chosen a more suitable name way back in the 18th
century. But, I guess, whatever name he chose would
probably have suffered the same fate as 'Celtic' did during
the Romantic movement.
Now the name has stuck and any attempt to name this
sub-branch of IE differently is doomed to failure. One of
things that bugs me, however, is the assumption that the
peculiarities of the Insular Celtic languages are features
of the Celtic sub-branch of IE as a whole. In fact what we
know of ancient Gaulish seems to contradict that.
> What about Lepontic
> and Celtiberian? And there are some that are more
> questionable, but may have some affiliation.
Presumably the are members of the same sub-family.
> Do you think that artifacts made by people who speak a
> language defined as Celtic should not be called Celtic?
As the term Celtic is now well established for these
languages, there's no point in doing otherwise.
But I do find it annoying when people write, for example, as
though the ancient Brits and ancient Irish felt themselves
kindred people sharing a common culture. It just ain't
true. The ancient Brits experienced the Irish as alien
pirates and raiders much like the Saxons.
No one in ancient times ever referred to the inhabitants of
Britain or Ireland as Celts. It wasn't till the 18th century
they were so named - and since then all sorts of nonsense
has appeared which Tolkien objected to - and so do I.
--
Ray
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will always interfere with language".
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4a. Multimodality
Posted by: "Richard Littauer" richard.litta...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 11:15 am ((PDT))
I've been thinking a lot recently about multimodal avenues for language and
communication. AFAIK, there's not much current research on different modes of
linguistic expression: I'm talking about whistle languages, humming, or musical
encoding. Pirah� can do all four (the other being natural speech), as well as a
specialised form of long-distance shouting (According the Everett.) There's a
few
documented NATLANG cases of whistle language, probably the most documented
being on the Canary Islands or in one village in Greece, but for the most part
very little research has been done on the actual mechanisms of language
transferal. The general idea is that tonality and intonation carry more of the
functional load of a language, while non-tonal phonology carries less (or so
says
Wikipedia, anyway, which seems to be the port of call for the most singular
place for multimodal communication studies.)
I've started collecting information off of JSTOR and the web for some future
projects I plan on doing in university concerning multimodality, but the real
question I want to ask is: has anyone incorporated this into their conlang? I
expect that various conlangs have worked in multimodality as a way to allow
different species to interact - say humans with jellyfish-species. But has
anyone
built conlangs for nat-like conworlds, or just in general, that use whistle,
humming, or other interesting avenues to express linguistic information?
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4b. Re: Multimodality
Posted by: "Matthew Turnbull" ave....@gmail.com
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:35 pm ((PDT))
Jorayn had a very small amount of whistling as alternative for normal
speach, but it was so restricted that I eventually decided it should be
taken out. I rather suspect that a tonal language might have fared better
with the whole whistling thing.
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4c. XKCD Lobjan
Posted by: "Samuel Stutter" sam.stut...@student.manchester.ac.uk
Date: Sat Oct 2, 2010 3:50 am ((PDT))
Not usually a huge XKCD fan. And I'm not sure if this has been posted
previously (I forget), but if anyone has seen it:
http://xkcd.com/191/
Warning to Lobjan fans: it's not too complementary...
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4d. XKCD Lobjan
Posted by: "Samuel Stutter" sam.stut...@student.manchester.ac.uk
Date: Sat Oct 2, 2010 3:52 am ((PDT))
Sorry, that should be Lojban. One thousand apologies. Please have pity.
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5.1. Re: Celtic & other myths (was: Celticity?)
Posted by: "And Rosta" and.ro...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Oct 2, 2010 6:53 am ((PDT))
Jörg Rhiemeier, On 24/09/2010 17:55:
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:56:03 +0100, R A Brown wrote:
>> On 23/09/2010 23:34, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
>> > Indeed, indeed! There is not a shred of evidence for the
>> > existence of any of the Insular Celtic peculiarities
>> > (VSO word order, initial mutations, profusion of spirants
>> > from the lenition of stops, etc.) in Gaulish, Lepontic
>> > or Celtiberian! These languages are much more similar to
>> > Latin in their structure than they are to Insular
>> > Celtic.
>>
>> Absolutely - yet if a conlang occurs that purports to be a
>> survival of a Continental Celtic language, what's the
>> betting it will have most, if not all, of these features!
>
> The only Continental Celtic conlang I am aware of is Dan Jones's
> Arvorec, and it *does* have all those features. Sigh.
>
>> > The Continental Celtic language I have under work for
>> > the League of Lost Language shows *nothing* of the
>> > typical traits of an Insular Celtic language.
>>
>> Good for you.
>
> The avoidance of all Insular Celtic features is the main point
> in that project. Camonic (as I name it) is pretty much a reply
> on Arvorec.
I can understand why one might desire to make a conlang that derives, like
Arvorec, from continental Celtic but, unlike Arvorec, via a trajectory more
like, say, French or Spanish, and less like Welsh and Irish.
But I don't see what is wrong with Arvorec's development either. By the time
the familiar distinctive phonological characteristics of Welsh were developing,
the contintental Celtic lgs were dead, but if in an alternate history, Gaulish
had remained in Armorica, why should those changes that spread within Insular
Celtic by areal diffusion not also have spread to Armorica?
--And.
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