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1a. Re: Jul17 inflections From: neo gu 2.1. Re: Conlanging Software Wish List From: Arnt Richard Johansen 3. paired-word adverbs From: neo gu Messages ________________________________________________________________________ 1a. Re: Jul17 inflections Posted by: "neo gu" qiihos...@gmail.com Date: Sun Aug 4, 2013 6:57 pm ((PDT)) I've made _some_ progress with the Jul17 documentation: http://qiihoskeh.conlang.org/cl/o/Jul17/L3Intro.htm A lot of suffixes need to be filled in. And the pronouns. I'm wondering if I should have distinct number in 3rd person pronouns, given that definite nouns don't distinguish number. Also, I haven't figured out what the obviative is doing in this language. There's a bunch of other stuff that needs to be improved. Comments? Messages in this topic (9) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2.1. Re: Conlanging Software Wish List Posted by: "Arnt Richard Johansen" a...@nvg.org Date: Mon Aug 5, 2013 1:17 am ((PDT)) On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 06:09:20PM -0400, Patrick VanDusen wrote: > So let me ask you, the professionals; what sort of functionality would you > look for in conlanging software? What features would appeal to you? I would like a tool to help with non-agglutinative morphology. A framework I use a lot to help make the regularity less obvious is Word and Paradigm Morphology, as presented in David Peterson's LCC1 talk. Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z6lYZzLN-A and slides: http://conference.conlang.org/lcc1/Peterson-6slides.pdf This means that you have a set of rules, and then you apply those rules to a lexical item to make up a paradigm of inflections or derivations. Doing this by hand is rather time-consuming and error-prone, so it would be helpful to be able to automate it somehow. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Löylyä lisää, ei tunnu missää. Messages in this topic (29) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 3. paired-word adverbs Posted by: "neo gu" qiihos...@gmail.com Date: Mon Aug 5, 2013 6:38 am ((PDT)) In Jul17, each noun or pronoun is paired with a verb and vice-versa. The noun or pronoun precedes the verb. It's been a challenge to fit adverbs into this framework. Manner Adverbs I already had syntax for depictive secondary predicates, as in: giannixraspe to:to:dic. gianni-xraspe-0 to:-to:di-0-c John-angry-SEC 3AS-leave-AOR-FAC "John left angry." However, manner adverbs are different from depictives, although they use the same inflections. A manner adverb simply uses "manner" as its noun part. fo:xraspe giannito:dic. fo:-xraspe-0 gianni-to:di-0-c manner-angry-SEC John-leave-AOR-FAC "John left angrily." Inherently adverbial words are treated the same way: fo:pifte cattutompetic. fo:-pifte-0 cattu-tompe-ti-0-c manner-fast-SEC cat-run-HAB-PRS-FAC "The cat runs fast." Degree Adverbs Degree adverbs are used with adjectival words. They can be absolute, as in "five feet high", or relative, as in "2 years older". A degree adverb uses a number or other quantity word as the verb part and a units word as the noun part. woman-exceed-SEC year-two-SEC man-old-CPR-PRS-FAC "The man is older than the woman by two years." Degree words such as "very" and "slightly" are handled the same way: pound-many-SEC dog-heavy-PRS-FAC "The dog is very heavy." woman-exceed-SEC year-many-SEC man-old-CPR-PRS-FAC "The man is much older than the woman." Temporal Adverbs Temporal adverbs, specifically time-when words were the hardest to figure out; I had to do the others before I could come up with a solution. One difficulty is that I don't know what kind of calendar is used, so the solution has to be general. The noun part is something like "day" (of the week or month) or "month". There are a couple of things that can be used for the verb part. First, ordinal numbers can be used: day_of_month-3-ORD-SEC John-leave-FUT-FAC "John leaves on the 3rd." Another desirable thing to use is names. This is a problem because names are nouns, not verbs. What has to be done then is to use a suffix to derive a verb from the name (currently called N2V for noun-to-verb; I need a better term). This looks like month-name-N2V-SEC. Common nouns use the same form. day_of_week-sun-N2V-SEC John-leave-FUT-FAC "John leaves on Sunday." There are still some special cases to be worked out, such as, "Which day does John leave?" Since "which" is marked by a prefix, the verb part needs to be filled by something else. Words such as "day" and "night" are also not yet determined. And things like "the 3rd day of the 10th month" are complicated. 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