There are 17 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. META: Conlang-L FAQ
From: Alex Fink
2a. The War to Baffle All Wars
From: Douglas Koller
2b. Re: The War to Baffle All Wars
From: Matthew Boutilier
2c. Re: The War to Baffle All Wars
From: Douglas Koller
2d. Re: The War to Baffle All Wars
From: BPJ
3a. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
From: Larry Sulky
3b. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
From: Philip Newton
3c. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
From: Philip Newton
3d. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
From: Matthew Martin
3e. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
From: Amanda Babcock Furrow
3f. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
From: Patrick Dunn
3g. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
From: Matthew Turnbull
4a. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
From: And Rosta
4b. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
From: David McCann
4c. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
From: Samuel Stutter
5. 30-Day Conlang: Day Two
From: Gary Shannon
6. I Ching + finnegans wake + McLuhan
From: the ursprachist ursprach
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1a. META: Conlang-L FAQ
Posted by: "Alex Fink" 000...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 8:01 am ((PDT))
The following is the de facto Conlang-L FAQ, hosted at
http://wiki.frath.net/Conlang-L_FAQ .
Someone will post it once a month, copied directly from that page, for the
benefit of new members. If you would like to change it, please edit it at
the link above.
Alex
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eng(ineered) + lang(uage)]
etabnannery /raːmnænəɹi/ (rare)
* The state of appearing entirely unpredictable, but, upon closer analysis,
failing at even being that. [From Etá̄bnann(i), a conlang by Tristan
McLeay,
which was supposed to have an unpredictable orthography, but ended up just
having a confusing one. Damn people trying to make patterns everywhere. At
least it's a bugger to typeset!... errm... back to the derivation + -ery]
maggelity /mə"gɛːlIti/ (rare) [From Maggel, a conlang by
Christophe
Grandsire which has a rarely predictable orthography]
# The state of being entirely unpredictable. (Tristan McLeay)
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2a. The War to Baffle All Wars
Posted by: "Douglas Koller" lao...@comcast.net
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 8:27 am ((PDT))
Okay, I can explain away things like: la mer/el mar, la fin/el fin etc.
but "war" in Germanic:
der Krieg
de krijg (ja, ik weet, "de oorlog")
krigen
krigen
Noodling around other Germanic langs in Wikipedia, it appears "war" is a
non-neuter word. So why in Swedish do we yaw into "kriget"? Did a hot
potato-mouthed Dane errantly wander into Stockholm and get misheard pronouncing
it as neuter?
Kou
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2b. Re: The War to Baffle All Wars
Posted by: "Matthew Boutilier" mbout...@nd.edu
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 9:34 am ((PDT))
>
> Okay, I can explain away things like: la mer/el mar, la fin/el fin etc.
i've always wondered, how *do* you explain away disjunctions such as these?
i have a feeling it would be a similar principle at work.
matt
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Douglas Koller <lao...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Okay, I can explain away things like: la mer/el mar, la fin/el fin etc.
>
> but "war" in Germanic:
>
> der Krieg
> de krijg (ja, ik weet, "de oorlog")
> krigen
> krigen
>
> Noodling around other Germanic langs in Wikipedia, it appears "war" is a
> non-neuter word. So why in Swedish do we yaw into "kriget"? Did a hot
> potato-mouthed Dane errantly wander into Stockholm and get misheard
> pronouncing it as neuter?
>
> Kou
>
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2c. Re: The War to Baffle All Wars
Posted by: "Douglas Koller" lao...@comcast.net
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 10:01 am ((PDT))
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Boutilier" <mbout...@nd.edu>
To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 12:31:50 PM
Subject: Re: The War to Baffle All Wars
>> Okay, I can explain away things like: la mer/el mar, la fin/el fin etc.
>i've always wondered, how *do* you explain away disjunctions such as these?
>i have a feeling it would be a similar principle at work.
Perhaps I should have said, "explained away to my satisfaction". For these, I
say "Latin third declension i-stems". Rightly or wrongly, it works for me.
On this list, I've learned funky stuff like vowel shifts in singular and plural
verb manifestations in the Germanic (explains "voro" to my satisfaction), but I
don't see the overarching principle or the quirky exception that gives us
"kriget". Hence, my question.
>> but "war" in Germanic:
>> der Krieg
>> de krijg (ja, ik weet, "de oorlog")
>> krigen
>> krigen
>> Noodling around other Germanic langs in Wikipedia, it appears "war" is a
>> non-neuter word. So why in Swedish do we yaw into "kriget"? Did a hot
>> potato-mouthed Dane errantly wander into Stockholm and get misheard
>> pronouncing it as neuter?
I do not oblige the universe to make sense, but one feels there should be some
explanation here.
Kou
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2d. Re: The War to Baffle All Wars
Posted by: "BPJ" b...@melroch.se
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 1:08 pm ((PDT))
2010-11-02 16:24, Douglas Koller skrev:
> Okay, I can explain away things like: la mer/el mar, la fin/el
> fin etc.
>
> but "war" in Germanic:
>
> der Krieg de krijg (ja, ik weet, "de oorlog") krigen krigen
>
> Noodling around other Germanic langs in Wikipedia, it appears
> "war" is a non-neuter word. So why in Swedish do we yaw into
> "kriget"? Did a hot potato-mouthed Dane errantly wander into
> Stockholm and get misheard pronouncing it as neuter?
>
> Kou
>
More probably someone took a definite masculine singular
for a definite plural. Or even more probably it took its
neuter gender from _víg_ 'battle'.
As for gender sliding in Romance it started with some
neuter plurals being understood as feminine singulars.
/bpj
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3a. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
Posted by: "Larry Sulky" larrysu...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 9:24 am ((PDT))
It depends on your native language(s). If you speak Samoan, it's easy to get
the consonants confused but you'll be very sensitive to vowels. (This is not
conjecture; I read it in something authoritative.) You'll easily hear the
difference between "cool", "coal", "call", and "keel", but "cool", "tool",
and "pool" and even "fool" may well throw you.
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Matthew Martin <matthewdeanmar...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> I'm working on a 30 day Conlang as well, I've got my word list, now I need
> to
> remove defectives. I think minimal pairs are hard to learn (I don't know
> if that
> is true or not, an issue that's kind of secondary to my goal).
>
> What sorts of minimal pairs cause the most trouble?
>
> cat, cot, kit, koot, kite, Kate? Varying by middle vowel
> brown, frown, crown, town? Varying by initial letter
> pond, bond -- varying by a similar sound
> farm, fart, Fark -- varying by the final letter
>
> Or are the all likely to lead to recall confusion?
>
> And another question is, if I aggressively remove minimal pairs, will I
> have
> precluded all forms of poetry out side of free verse and haiku-like
> syllable
> counting?
>
> And I'm posting my progress on Twitter with the hashtag #30DayConlang
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matthew Martin
>
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3b. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
Posted by: "Philip Newton" philip.new...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 9:27 am ((PDT))
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Philip Newton <philip.new...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Depending on the average length of words, you might even still have rhymes
> (if there's enough before the rhyming bits to prevent confusion - for
> example, "dislocation" and "asphyxiation" are unlikely to be confused, yet
> they rhyme for at least one definition of "rhyme", namely, "identical from
> the [primary-]stressed syllable onwards").
Make that "dislocation" and "equivocation", since "asphyxiation"
doesn't have a /keI/ stressed syllable.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <philip.new...@gmail.com>
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3c. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
Posted by: "Philip Newton" philip.new...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 9:29 am ((PDT))
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Matthew Martin
<matthewdeanmar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And another question is, if I aggressively remove minimal pairs, will I have
> precluded all forms of poetry out side of free verse and haiku-like syllable
> counting?
How about alliteration? I assume you're going to allow more than one
word per initial letter.... AFAIK, alliteration was the favourite
"rhyming" scheme in Old English poetry, for example.
Depending on the average length of words, you might even still have
rhymes (if there's enough before the rhyming bits to prevent confusion
- for example, "dislocation" and "asphyxiation" are unlikely to be
confused, yet they rhyme for at least one definition of "rhyme",
namely, "identical from the [primary-]stressed syllable onwards").
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <philip.new...@gmail.com>
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3d. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
Posted by: "Matthew Martin" matthewdeanmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 12:27 pm ((PDT))
Interesting, but it turns out to be difficult! I took the words I initially
generated,
replaced the consonants with a dash and counted how many dupes I had. I did
the same again, but with the vowels. The particular pattern I was using
generated
fairly few minimal pairs after removing vowels, but lots of minimal pairs after
removing consonants.
The words were generated with (VC) + (C)(CVC)(C)(C) + suffixes & inflections
(see http://www.suburbandestiny.com/conlang/?p=71 for the exact generator I
used)
Can anyone suggest what sort of pattern would generate relatively few minimal
pairs for consonant and vowel pattern sensitivity? I'm guessing it probably
would
be a Polynesian pattern CV(V)CV(V)-- there just aren't as many vowels in a
typical inventory.
Matthew Martin
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3e. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
Posted by: "Amanda Babcock Furrow" la...@quandary.org
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:22 pm ((PDT))
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 10:29:57AM -0400, Matthew Martin wrote:
> I'm working on a 30 day Conlang as well, I've got my word list, now I need to
> remove defectives. I think minimal pairs are hard to learn (I don't know if
> that
> is true or not, an issue that's kind of secondary to my goal).
>
> What sorts of minimal pairs cause the most trouble?
In my language-learning experience, I wasn't thrown by minimal pairs, but by
words which switched elements - say, forak/forka.
tylakèhlpë'fö,
Amanda
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3f. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
Posted by: "Patrick Dunn" pwd...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:25 pm ((PDT))
I find minimal pairs *helpful* in learning a language, as it offers me a
mnemonic hook to associate words.
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Amanda Babcock Furrow <la...@quandary.org>wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 10:29:57AM -0400, Matthew Martin wrote:
>
> > I'm working on a 30 day Conlang as well, I've got my word list, now I
> need to
> > remove defectives. I think minimal pairs are hard to learn (I don't know
> if that
> > is true or not, an issue that's kind of secondary to my goal).
> >
> > What sorts of minimal pairs cause the most trouble?
>
> In my language-learning experience, I wasn't thrown by minimal pairs, but
> by
> words which switched elements - say, forak/forka.
>
> tylakÄhlpÄ'fö,
> Amanda
>
--
I have stretched ropes from steeple to steeple; garlands from window to
window; golden chains from star to star, and I dance. --Arthur Rimbaud
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3g. Re: What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
Posted by: "Matthew Turnbull" ave....@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 9:26 pm ((PDT))
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Amanda Babcock Furrow <la...@quandary.org>wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 10:29:57AM -0400, Matthew Martin wrote:
>
> > I'm working on a 30 day Conlang as well, I've got my word list, now I
> need to
> > remove defectives. I think minimal pairs are hard to learn (I don't know
> if that
> > is true or not, an issue that's kind of secondary to my goal).
> >
> > What sorts of minimal pairs cause the most trouble?
>
> In my language-learning experience, I wasn't thrown by minimal pairs, but
> by
> words which switched elements - say, forak/forka.
>
> tylakÄhlpÄ'fö,
> Amanda
>
I agree, I almost constantly mix up such words, and I'm much more likely to
forget what order sounds come in than what sounds compose the word. I agree
also that sometimes minimal pairs are easier to remember if one of the two
is already stuck in your head. "well [ÊÉmiz] is just like [ÊÉmiz], but with
a [Ê]".
In case anyone was wondering, just a random example, I can't imagine a
situation where chemise and remise would get confused, or why anyone would
know the word remise, but not chemise.
I think I'd be much more likely to mix up two words which were not minimal
pairs, but where they had some part that was vaguely similar [butsije] and
[butej] (boutier and bouteille)
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4a. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
Posted by: "And Rosta" and.ro...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 10:22 am ((PDT))
Peter Bleackley, On 02/11/2010 09:01:
> Some time during the Second Triumvirate, a Roman merchant ship
> returnining to Egypt from India was blown off course by a storm and
> ended up wrecked somewhere on the coast of Ethiopia. The ship was too
> badly damaged to repair, and they had no idea how far from
> "civilisation" they were, so they bartered what they could salvage
> from their cargo for the things they needed to set up their own
> colony (including contunerbales).
>
> Any comments?
I think we should ask ourselves what contunerbales are, in a world in which
they aren't just contubernales. So today's Conlang challenge: provide an
etymology for _contunerbales_, and explain why the setting up of a colony might
involve them.
--And.
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4b. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
Posted by: "David McCann" da...@polymathy.plus.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 10:32 am ((PDT))
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 10:01 +0000, Eugene Oh wrote:
> My first thought was: you'd have to drastically improve the naval technology
> of the times to make their failed trip possible in the first placeâ¦
Trade with India via the Red Sea had been going on for years, though
carefully hugging the coast. The direct trip across the Indian Ocean was
introduced Hippalus about the time of the Triumvirate.
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4c. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
Posted by: "Samuel Stutter" sam.stut...@student.manchester.ac.uk
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 1:29 pm ((PDT))
Latin "com" - "con" *together*
Latin "tonus" - *tune* / *tight* / *tense*
"ables" - enabling use
Contunerables - items used to tie together, such as rope and string
The ropes from the ship were re-used to build the colony :)
On 2 Nov 2010, at 17:17, And Rosta <and.ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter Bleackley, On 02/11/2010 09:01:
>> Some time during the Second Triumvirate, a Roman merchant ship
>> returnining to Egypt from India was blown off course by a storm and
>> ended up wrecked somewhere on the coast of Ethiopia. The ship was too
>> badly damaged to repair, and they had no idea how far from
>> "civilisation" they were, so they bartered what they could salvage
>> from their cargo for the things they needed to set up their own
>> colony (including contunerbales).
>>
>> Any comments?
>
> I think we should ask ourselves what contunerbales are, in a world in which
> they aren't just contubernales. So today's Conlang challenge: provide an
> etymology for _contunerbales_, and explain why the setting up of a colony
> might involve them.
>
>
> --And.
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5. 30-Day Conlang: Day Two
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" fizi...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 12:34 pm ((PDT))
It became painfully apparent after doing the second day's translation
exercise that maintaining a bilingual dictionary for conlang-X (No
name as yet) was going to be a particularly time-consuming and
bothersome task. One thing I cannot afford on a 30-day deadline is
time-consuming tasks that would be better automated. That's when I
remembered that about five years ago when I was involved in Larry
Sulky's collaborative Ilomi conlang project I wrote an offline C+
program to read a flat file of words and build a matched pair of HTML
web pages for both sides of an English/Ilomi bilingual dictionary.
So I dusted off the source code and made a few cosmetic changes
related to the difference between conlang-X and Ilomi, and put the
program to work. From this day forward the main page will link to the
current cumulative bilingual dictionary and I can stop worrying about
how I will keep the lexicon records current.
With today's translation I have made it 169 words into the text, out
of a total of 2198 words, which means the translation is 7.7%
complete. The conlang-X lexicon contains 88 words and the English to
"X" dictionary has 1865 entries due to several English synonyms for
some words in "X".
http://fiziwig.com/conlang/thirty_day.html
--gary
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6. I Ching + finnegans wake + McLuhan
Posted by: "the ursprachist ursprach" theursprach...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 5:28 pm ((PDT))
" å
ä½ææï¼æä¹å
é¾ä»¥å¾¡å¤© " : à¤à¤¤à¥à¤¸à¤à¤¹à¤¾à¤°; à¤à¤¤à¥
+ ç»è¾ ? à¤à¤¤à¥à¤ ( ç»ä¸ वसनà¥à¤¤à¤ [image: Aries.svg]
मà¥à¤· [image: Taurus.svg]वà¥à¤·à¤, ç»äº à¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤·à¥à¤®à¤
[image: Gemini.svg] मिथà¥à¤¨[image:
Cancer glyph.png]à¤à¤°à¥à¤à¤, ç»ä¸ वरà¥à¤·à¤¾à¤ [image:
Leo.svg]सिà¤à¤¹[image: Virgo.svg]à¤à¤¨à¥à¤¯à¤¾,
ç»å शरतॠ[image: Libra.svg]तà¥à¤²à¤¾[image:
Scorpio.svg]वà¥à¤¶à¥à¤à¤¿à¤ , ç»äº हà¥à¤®à¤¨à¥à¤¤ [image:
Sagittarius.svg]धनà¥à¤·[image: Capricorn symbol 2.png]मà¤à¤°, ç»å
शिशिर [image:
Aquarius.svg]à¤à¥à¤®à¥à¤[image: Pisces.svg]मà¥à¤¨
)[see]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_zodiac#R.C4.81shis_.E2.80.93_the_zodiac_signs>
. Steve Krakowski<http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/occultgeneticcode/>
+
Aleister Crowley
sephirot<http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Zodiac_and_the_Tree_of_Life>:
Four elements, Planets and Sun & Moon =(become)=> binary values. Thus
seasons hold bin. values? " æä¹å
é¾ä»¥å¾¡å¤© " may answer : " å
é¾ " =
yin Jupiter? (
digram 00, *Äpas + ***Jupiter * = *é° + [image: Astronomical symbol of
Jupiter] = ἸÏθεá¿Ï , मà¥à¤¨ . ἸηÏÎ¿á¿¦Ï Î§ÏιÏÏÏÏ,
Îεοῦ ΥἱÏÏ, ΣÏÏÎ®Ï (!!!). "Rot
apeck of pa's malt had Jhem or Shen brewed by arclight and roryend to the
regginbrow was to be seen ringsome on the *aquaface* ( [image:
Aquarius.svg] , *ΥδÏÏÏοοÏ*, ×ר×ש×ת *9:12-17 * ) The fall..."
remember ç»å
शिशिर [image: Aquarius.svg]à¤à¥à¤®à¥à¤[image:
Pisces.svg]मà¥à¤¨, what if ç»å
= ç»é°?
"å
é¾ä»¥å¾¡å¤©" then
<http://ctext.org/dictionary.pl?if=en&char=%E5%BE%A1>御 = The
Chariot? ( nah, no way ). But 天 ( 111 ) twice is 乾 ( 111111 ) : we talk
about what å
é¾ does to 天 and ä¹¾ when we say
"ä¹¾éè®åï¼åæ£æ§å½ï¼ä¿å大åï¼ä¹å©è²ã". Yet, 天 is
tattva vayu and rules Aquarius ( Sthira ) (天 + Saturn => Îεογονία by
ἩÏίοδοÏ
( Gaia = Earth = ALP <http://www.finnegansweb.com/wiki/index.php/ALP>? ) ),
Libra ( Cara ) ( 天 + Venus/Aphrodite =>
Issy<http://www.finnegansweb.com/wiki/index.php/Issy>?
) and Gemini ( Dvisvabhava ) ( 天 + Mercurius => trickster, Atu I The Magus (
Magician ) - HCE <http://www.finnegansweb.com/wiki/index.php/HCE>? ).
大æå§çµ ( commodius vicus : hex 1 begins where hex 64 ends).
"And all the Dunders de Dunnes in Markland's Vineland beyond Brendan's
herring pool takes *number nine in yang*see's
hats"[see]<http://books.google.com.br/books?id=p1qso99TB6IC&pg=PA297&lpg=PA297&dq=Markland%27s+Vineland&source=bl&ots=CZMBFv-bx-&sig=7UjBuZ72TvpZiuiyFfo2U7upLlc&hl=pt-BR&ei=-GnQTOiNBYyfcdfX4fQB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Markland%27s%20Vineland&f=false>:
" ä¹åï¼å
ç¡éï¼èµ·å¶ã" : ç = (太)*é½* = 9 , å
= é° = æ亮 =
6 [Shlain - The Big O
Lecture]<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7282042506328608724#>
.
" A hot medium(*é½*) is one that extends one single sense in "high
definition." High definition is the state of being well filled with data. A
photograph is, visually, "high definition." A cartoon is "low definition,"
simply because very little visual information is provided. Telephone is a
cool medium(é°). or one of low definition, because the ear is given a
meager amount of information. And speech is a cool medium of low
definition, because so little is given and so much has to be filled in by
the listener. On the other hand, hot media do not leave so much to be filled
in or completed by the audience. Hot media are, therefore, low in
participation, and cool media are high in participation or completion by the
audience. Naturally, therefore, a hot medium like radio has very different
effects on the user from a cool medium like the telephone. " "A cool medium
like hieroglyphic or ideogrammic written characters has very different
effects from the hot and explosive medium of the phonetic alphabet. The
alphabet, when pushed to a high degree of abstract visual intensity, became
typography. The printed word with its specialist intensity burst the bonds
of medieval corporate guilds and monasteries, creating extreme individualist
patterns of enterprise and monopoly. But the typical reversal(太極å)
occurred
when extremes of monopoly brought back the corporation, with its impersonal
empire over many lives. The hotting-up of the medium of writing to
repeatable print intensity led to nationalism and the religious wars of the
sixteenth century. The heavy and unwieldy media, such as stone, are time
binders (Harold Innis). Used for writing, they are very cool indeed, and
serve to unify the ages; whereas paper is a hot medium that serves to unify
spaces horizontally, both in political and entertainment empires. "
cool = time-binding (vertically, action on many planes ) = yin, hot =
space-binding ( horizontally, uniplanar action ) = yang. æ = "*Season.* /
*Unit
of time equal to two hours*. / [The passage of] time. / Time, times. / Age,
*period*, *epoch*. / Occasion, opportune moment. / On time. / Then, at that
time. / Always, constantly. / Same as â伺(1)â: Wait until, wait for (a
chance)." This means: valid on many levels, "2 hours * 64" level, 64 days
level, "seasons" = 64 * 6 days ( a lunar year ), "period" = 64 * 6 * 6 days
( 6 minor sunspot cycles ) "age" = 64 * 6 * 6 * 64 ( 2 zodiacal ages,
duration of human history? )
[McKenna<http://www.levity.com/eschaton/waveexplain.html>
].
reposted from http://theursprachist.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-ching-21110.html
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