There are 11 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: UCSUR Request From: Jörg Rhiemeier 1b. Re: UCSUR Request From: Paul Bennett 1c. Re: UCSUR Request From: Rebecca Bettencourt 2a. Hangul From: C. Brickner 2b. Re: Hangul From: Adam Walker 2c. Re: Hangul From: Daniel Bowman 2d. Re: Hangul From: Siva Kalyan 2e. Re: Hangul From: Padraic Brown 2f. Re: Hangul From: Jörg Rhiemeier 3a. Re: Conlang Relay 21 starting soon From: Adam Walker 3b. Re: Conlang Relay 21 starting soon From: Galen Buttitta Messages ________________________________________________________________________ 1a. Re: UCSUR Request Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" joerg_rhieme...@web.de Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 6:36 am ((PDT)) Hallo conlangers! On Wednesday 09 October 2013 11:32:56 Paul Bennett wrote: > Couldn't find anywhere on the UCSUR site to make a request (maybe I > just didn't look hard enough). > > I'd like to get a block of 16 characters for the Old Terzemian > alphasyllabary. I think the glyph names would be (in order)... > > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE PI > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE PA > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE PU > OLD TERZEMIAN LETTER P > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE TI > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE TA > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE TU > OLD TERZEMIAN LETTER T > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE KI > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE KA > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE KU > OLD TERZEMIAN LETTER K > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE RI > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE RA > OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE RU > OLD TERZEMIAN LETTER R > > I don't have the exact glyph shapes worked out yet, but I should be > able to get something rough & ready for at least temporary use fairly > soon. I cannot help you with your UCSUR request, but I must say that this is a very small alphasyllabary, with only four consonants and three vowels, apparently extremely underspecifying. -- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html "Bêsel asa Éam, a Éam atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Éamal." - SiM 1:1 Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: UCSUR Request Posted by: "Paul Bennett" paul.w.benn...@gmail.com Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:16 am ((PDT)) Yes, Jörg, it's very, very, very underspecifying. It's more of an aide memoire notation system than a full writing system, I suppose. However, it is a writing system in so much as people draw words using squiggles. In short, "P" stands for any labial stop / fricative / affricate, "T" for apical, "K" for laminal / glottal, and "R" for anything else. The three vowels are the three "logical" vowels of the vowel harmony system (which has three logical groups of three logical vowels, with the six surface forms /i 1 u e o a/). -- Paul Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ 1c. Re: UCSUR Request Posted by: "Rebecca Bettencourt" beckie...@gmail.com Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 9:58 am ((PDT)) Hi Paul, If you can put together a proposal including some description of the writing system and the names of the characters as you've written here, and post it somewhere, I can add it to the UCSUR and link it to your proposal. It doesn't necessarily have to be very long and detailed; the existing proposals between E150 and E64F, for example, are rather short. Is there already a code range you use? If not, E6F0-E6FF looks like a perfect spot. -- Rebecca Bettencourt On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Paul Bennett <paul.w.benn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, Jörg, it's very, very, very underspecifying. It's more of an aide > memoire notation system than a full writing system, I suppose. > However, it is a writing system in so much as people draw words using > squiggles. > > In short, "P" stands for any labial stop / fricative / affricate, "T" > for apical, "K" for laminal / glottal, and "R" for anything else. The > three vowels are the three "logical" vowels of the vowel harmony > system (which has three logical groups of three logical vowels, with > the six surface forms /i 1 u e o a/). > > > -- > Paul Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2a. Hangul Posted by: "C. Brickner" tepeyach...@embarqmail.com Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:22 am ((PDT)) Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary. Charlie Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 2b. Re: Hangul Posted by: "Adam Walker" carra...@gmail.com Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:34 am ((PDT)) Like! On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:22 AM, C. Brickner <tepeyach...@embarqmail.com>wrote: > Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary. > Charlie > Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 2c. Re: Hangul Posted by: "Daniel Bowman" danny.c.bow...@gmail.com Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:42 am ((PDT)) Wow, thanks! Can't wait to surprise the Korean postdoc in my lab by saying "Happy 한글날!" However, I will abstain from wishing him "Happy 조선글날" as that may cause a diplomatic breakdown. 2013/10/9 C. Brickner <tepeyach...@embarqmail.com> > Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary. > Charlie > Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 2d. Re: Hangul Posted by: "Siva Kalyan" sivakalyan.prince...@gmail.com Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 1:30 pm ((PDT)) The most neutral one would probably be, "Happy 훈민정음날" (in case you're engaging in bilateral talks). Speaking of which, if you can read Japanese (or classical Chinese), here's an online edition of the Hunmin jeongeum (훈민정음, 訓民正音), the text in which Hangul was first proposed: http://www.tufs.ac.jp/ts/personal/choes/korean/middle/text/kairei.html 2013年10月10日木曜日 Daniel Bowman danny.c.bow...@gmail.com: > Wow, thanks! Can't wait to surprise the Korean postdoc in my lab by saying > "Happy 한글날!" > However, I will abstain from wishing him "Happy 조선글날" as that may cause a > diplomatic breakdown. > > > 2013/10/9 C. Brickner <tepeyach...@embarqmail.com <javascript:;>> > > > Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary. > > Charlie > > > Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 2e. Re: Hangul Posted by: "Padraic Brown" elemti...@yahoo.com Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 4:28 pm ((PDT)) Pffff. Flash in the pan. People will get over this minor fad soon enough and go back to the hanja! ;)) It's not often one can pinpoint the date of promulgation of a whole system of writing (let alone the author of that system). Are there any conlangs out there where you know, within their concultural context, of an exact date of promulgation like this? I can't think of any of mine with such exact dates. In a couple cases, the inventor is known, and perhaps a general date range, but nothing more specific. Padraic ----- Original Message ----- > From: C. Brickner <tepeyach...@embarqmail.com> > To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, 9 October 2013, 10:22 > Subject: Hangul > > Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary. > Charlie > Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 2f. Re: Hangul Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" joerg_rhieme...@web.de Date: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:28 am ((PDT)) Hallo conlangers! On Thursday 10 October 2013 01:24:56 Padraic Brown wrote: > Pffff. Flash in the pan. People will get over this minor fad soon enough > and go back to the hanja! ;)) > > It's not often one can pinpoint the date of promulgation of a whole system > of writing (let alone the author of that system). > > Are there any conlangs out there where you know, within their concultural > context, of an exact date of promulgation like this? I can't think of any > of mine with such exact dates. In a couple cases, the inventor is known, > and perhaps a general date range, but nothing more specific. My Elves (the speakers of Old Albic) ascribe their writing system to a cultural heroine. It is uncertain to which extent this is true, but it is considered quite likely by modern scholars that the script is indeed one invented by a single person, since it is featural; also the date of promulgation is not known. -- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html "Bêsel asa Éam, a Éam atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Éamal." - SiM 1:1 Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 3a. Re: Conlang Relay 21 starting soon Posted by: "Adam Walker" carra...@gmail.com Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 5:31 pm ((PDT)) I'm one who is doing NaNoWriMo, but I will also be out of town the last weekend of October (25-27). what is the proposed start date? Adam On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Amanda Babcock Furrow <la...@quandary.org>wrote: > Conlang Relay 21 will be starting soon on the re...@valdyas.org mailing > list. If you'd like to participate and aren't on that list, please email > ir...@valdyas.org (the list manager) to join! Then send email to the list > (not Irina) with the language you'll be using and the dates you'd be > available > to take your turn (you'll have 48 hours). People who can't participate > in November due to NaNoWriMo will get first consideration for the October > slots :) > > Thanks, > Amanda Furrow > Conlang Relay 21 relaymistress > Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ 3b. Re: Conlang Relay 21 starting soon Posted by: "Galen Buttitta" satorarepotenetoperarot...@gmail.com Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 9:34 pm ((PDT)) I'd also like to know the targeted end date, if any is in mind. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Adam Walker <carra...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm one who is doing NaNoWriMo, but I will also be out of town the last > weekend of October (25-27). what is the proposed start date? > > Adam > > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Amanda Babcock Furrow > <la...@quandary.org>wrote: > > > Conlang Relay 21 will be starting soon on the re...@valdyas.org mailing > > list. If you'd like to participate and aren't on that list, please email > > ir...@valdyas.org (the list manager) to join! Then send email to the > list > > (not Irina) with the language you'll be using and the dates you'd be > > available > > to take your turn (you'll have 48 hours). People who can't participate > > in November due to NaNoWriMo will get first consideration for the October > > slots :) > > > > Thanks, > > Amanda Furrow > > Conlang Relay 21 relaymistress > > > Messages in this topic (3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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