[Callers] Re: Advanced dances gone awry

2023-04-17 Thread Julian Blechner via Contra Callers
I just wanted to also say that I really like the additions Brooke contributed. Julian Western Mass On Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 4:23 PM Brooke Friendly wrote: > > Most of my experience with this comes from the ECD world rather than > contra. That said... > > 1. As a caller, I teach to who is there reg

[Callers] Re: Advanced dances gone awry

2023-04-17 Thread Winston, Alan P. via Contra Callers
I don't have any great wisdom to impart here, but it's a general topic I'm extremely interested in. I've been more concerned with these questions in the English dance scene, and I want to validate that these are difficult questions. I don't understand what the goal of an advanced contra dance s

[Callers] Re: Advanced dances gone awry

2023-04-17 Thread Bill Olson via Contra Callers
Hi all, I agree with Julian completely. Asking someone to leave an "advanced dance" (or any dance) because they aren't "advanced" enough is so totally wrong. First of all you are asking folks to "self-assign" their level in the first place, so, really, you're going to "get what you get" and kick

[Callers] Re: Advanced dances gone awry

2023-04-17 Thread Brooke Friendly via Contra Callers
Most of my experience with this comes from the ECD world rather than contra. That said... 1. As a caller, I teach to who is there regardless of how the dance is advertised. This means flexibility, ability to shift expectations, shift my program, work on my patience. Sometimes this means for a part

[Callers] Re: Dance with petronella right and left

2023-04-17 Thread Louise Siddons via Contra Callers
Oops, sorry, I said allemande and meant right shoulder round. I mean, it could also be an allemande right, that might be nicer for people who prefer physical contact to eye contact — but it makes the transition into the swing clunky. I think I explained to Jerome (via the list) that it’s the Ro

[Callers] Re: Advanced dances gone awry

2023-04-17 Thread jim saxe via Contra Callers
You can hear some thoughts from sixty years ago relating to topics in this thread in this recording of a 1962 Q&A session with the late great square dance caller Ed Gilmore: http://squaredancehistory.com/items/show/702 You might start by listening for a few minutes beginning from 17:53.

[Callers] Re: Dance with petronella right and left

2023-04-17 Thread Russell Owen via Contra Callers
This dance looks interesting but I confess I don’t understand it fully. I think the first gate is with your neighbor, the second with your partner, then robins chain across to your neighbor (ending across from your partner). Who is the right shoulder around with and how does that get the robins

[Callers] Re: Advanced dances gone awry

2023-04-17 Thread Julian Blechner via Contra Callers
I've given this some thought. I've been a dancer in this situation, and heard other organizers ask this question. I don't like the idea of asking someone to leave. I do think this is antithetical to my values as a dance organizer. I don't like the idea of gatekeeping and presuming I know how well

[Callers] Re: Advanced dances gone awry

2023-04-17 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers
Hi Maia, On your (2), I know it sounds really unfriendly, but I would actually advocate kicking people out. With an advanced dance the publicity should be clear about what level of skill is expected, and if someone isn't able to do that the organizers should refund them and ask them to leave. For