I've noticed that the man-pages package replicates man pages from other packages. Should not the man pages be installed with their particular app and any thing left be included in the man-pages package? I have seen a similar behaviour with both the KDE and Gnome desktop environments including app start files for packages put together seperately. The net effect is that you get all of these menu entries for programs that may not actually be installed. It strikes me that the correct way to do this is via the specific program package and not through jumbo packages that over replicate information. Cuts down on the rpm errors too. John -- ********************************* Tell me and I may forget, Show me and I may remember, Involve me and I will understand. *********************************