Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-08 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello! Very good Peter. Prasnik, the summary that Peter gave is even better then I could arrange for. But I will add to it anyway. The part numbers covered in that book are largely the ones that the Intel team behind the 8086 family were making and selling then. Its been a generation in people yea

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-08 Thread Peter Stuge
pras...@anche.no wrote: > today's "part numbers"/architectures/cpu-families on Intel > manuals are them of the QUARK family. Yes and no. Quark is geared toward makers and hobbyists, seems to basically be a 486 machine with some funky addons, and Intel has put a fair bit of effort into documenting

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-08 Thread prasnik
Hello Greg, I think I got it. When you say that Intel "retires some part number", you probably mean that Intel has stopped to talk about some architectures (or cpu families) in its official documentation. And "working entry" should mean that those cpu-families are still valid, at least concept

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-07 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello! According to Intel some of the part numbers that reference older operating systems were retired by the company. You might find them for sale at places who support older systems for example. To answer your question, the entire series of part numbers that the 8086 family belong to were retire

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-07 Thread prasnik
Hi Greg, On 2014-10-07 14:35, Gregg Levine wrote: [..] It contains several sadly retired part numbers in the book, and of course What do you mean with "part numbers" .. chapters? If so, does the whole sentence mean that this book has chapters on obsolete topics? the members of the original s

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-07 Thread WANG FEI
The most useful boot refer to legacy system I believe: http://www.amazon.com/The-Undocumented-PC-Programmers-Edition/dp/0201479508 Beside Aaron's suggestion of Intel manuals, I also recommend AMD programming manuals, http://developer.amd.com/resources/documentation-articles/developer-guides-manu

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-07 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello! I'll echo what you also said Aaron with this one on the X86 family as well: http://www.amazon.com/Computer-organization-Hardware-software-Gorsline/dp/0131652907/ref=cm_wl_huc_item That book happens to be extremely important to almost any programmer. It contains several sadly retired part nu

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-07 Thread Aaron Durbin
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > pras...@anche.no wrote: >> do you mean that no book (that you know) talks about x86 systems? > > Some books do, no single book covers the 35+ years of legacy which is > still very much present in the latest x86 hardware. I'll definitely echo wh

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-07 Thread Peter Stuge
pras...@anche.no wrote: > do you mean that no book (that you know) talks about x86 systems? Some books do, no single book covers the 35+ years of legacy which is still very much present in the latest x86 hardware. //Peter -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-07 Thread prasnik
However, there's nothing (that I know of) that encompasses the expanse that is historical x86 systems. do you mean that no book (that you know) talks about x86 systems? -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-06 Thread David Hubbard
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Aaron Durbin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM, wrote: > > Dear cb folks, > > > > I ask you some advice on material that is worth reading in order to gain > > fundamental notions on computer architecture. > > > > Which book do you suggest to that purpose? >

Re: [coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-06 Thread Aaron Durbin
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM, wrote: > Dear cb folks, > > I ask you some advice on material that is worth reading in order to gain > fundamental notions on computer architecture. > > Which book do you suggest to that purpose? > These aren't specific to x86 or any particular architecture -- jus

[coreboot] Suggested readings

2014-10-06 Thread prasnik
Dear cb folks, I ask you some advice on material that is worth reading in order to gain fundamental notions on computer architecture. Which book do you suggest to that purpose? Thanks in advance -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot