Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-30 Thread Stefan Reinauer
On 7/29/13 11:43 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 02:40:16AM +0200, Stefan Reinauer wrote: I agree with Alex: If you are concerned by this issue, please make an effort to fix it. It would be great to bring the clear level of separation that we have on newer systems to older CPU

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-30 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Stefan Reinauer stefan.reina...@coreboot.org wrote: No, but it comes with an 8k signed, binary primary bootloade that loads coreboot from flash. in other words, the days when we could have 0 binary blobs are fast ending. I don't like that either. But I don't

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-30 Thread Oliver Schinagl
On 07/30/13 18:43, ron minnich wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Stefan Reinauer stefan.reina...@coreboot.org wrote: No, but it comes with an 8k signed, binary primary bootloade that loads coreboot from flash. in other words, the days when we could have 0 binary blobs are fast ending.

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-29 Thread Stefan Reinauer
* Alex G. mr.nuke...@gmail.com [130725 22:23]: Denis, We have in place a pretty darn good infrastructure of separating the microcode from the coreboot stages. It's very easy to store microcode as a _separate_ CBFS file. Not all CPUs use this, but changing this is trivial. Patches welcome.

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-25 Thread xdrudis
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:51:55PM +0400, Nikita Karetnikov wrote: Would you like to try that? I'm willing to help if it's somehow possible with QEMU (and without proprietary programs). What instructions should be used? Could you provide a step-by-step guide? I don't think you can do this

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-25 Thread Alex G.
On 07/22/2013 01:25 PM, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:14:22 -0700 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see how excluding the new, fixed version from coreboot helps anything. Further, it means you don't have bug-fixed microcode, which seems bad. It is at

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-24 Thread Nikita Karetnikov
Looking at what I wrote on the wiki: CPU Microcode (optional?) Basicaly the issue is that I found that the microcode was included, trough #include and headers containig its code in coreboot, What that means is that even if you select to use no microcode in make menuconfig, it will still be

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-22 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli gnu...@no-log.org wrote: It is at least a licensing problem: That microcode has a proprietary license in its header, with some terms that are incompatible with the GPLv2... And coreboot is released under the GPLv2. Given the effort

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-22 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:14:22 -0700 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see how excluding the new, fixed version from coreboot helps anything. Further, it means you don't have bug-fixed microcode, which seems bad. It is at least a licensing problem: That microcode has a proprietary

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-15 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli gnu...@no-log.org wrote: What is unclear and must be tested is if the computer would boot or have some issues without the microcode. It really has to be tested... It might also work only on a subset of the X60/T60. But the microcode is

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-14 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
Hi, On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 22:18:50 +0400 Nikita Karetnikov nik...@karetnikov.org wrote: I mentioned Thinkpads for two reasons: I thought they don't need proprietary components, and they are quite popular among Coreboot people. [1]

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-13 Thread Nikita Karetnikov
If somebody wants a laptop with coreboot today, that has vendor support, get an acer c7 chromebook. If you can stand the keyboard, which you really want to test. But it's an incredible deal. What do you mean by vendor support? Does it require any non-free components? Does it come with

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-13 Thread Nikita Karetnikov
How do you want to help? You can get a Thinkpad right now, with the best coreboot has to offer, knowing full well it isn't 100% free (yet). Well, I'm still not sure about that. Could you elaborate on non-free components? This page [1] is not clear about microcode, for instance. You can

[coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-12 Thread Nikita Karetnikov
I'm looking for an x86_64 laptop to try Coreboot. I've looked through the archives [1,2] and the wiki [3]; it seems the most popular machines are x60s and t60. However, these machines are shipped in different configurations [4,5]. This page [6] mentions Core Duo Mobile L2300, which has a 32-bit

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-12 Thread Oliver Schinagl
On 12-07-13 12:35, Nikita Karetnikov wrote: I'm looking for an x86_64 laptop to try Coreboot. I've looked through the archives [1,2] and the wiki [3]; it seems the most popular machines are x60s and t60. Which (again) strikes me as ood, that intel laptops are the most recommended ones. The

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-12 Thread ron minnich
It's kind of useless to point to a bunch of random laptops with a compatible chipset. It's never that simple. You don't know what the EC is or how to talk to it, and you don't have critical info you need to really make this work. So count on about a year of effort, potentially. What if there's a

Re: [coreboot] Supported laptops (again), treacherous computing

2013-07-12 Thread David Hubbard
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:42 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: It's kind of useless to point to a bunch of random laptops with a compatible chipset. It's never that simple. You don't know what the EC is or how to talk to it, and you don't have critical info you need to really make