Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 08/22/2012 03:30 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: I don't know what other insights can be gained by reading the headers or log entries. I consider this a closed case at this point and won't bother this list with further analysis of it. On the off chance that you or Gordon_do_ find something

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-25 Thread Andrew Burnette
On 08/25/2012 04:11 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 08/22/2012 03:30 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: I don't know what other insights can be gained by reading the headers or log entries. I consider this a closed case at this point and won't bother this list with further analysis of it. On the off

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-24 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 23/Aug/2012 07:05:27 +0200 Lindsay Haisley wrote: On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 20:08 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: So, with the sender doesn't really have a way of knowing what happened, the sender will rightfully assume – and it would be the correct choice – that it failed, and will try

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-22 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Lindsay Haisley writes: The headers you sent reflect this. It looks as if Mailman on your end didn't cancel the held message, or it was moderated through as I was canceling it. You also cc-ed your reply to me, the copy that I got was the CC copy. The situation with the post under

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-22 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 06:57 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Lindsay Haisley writes: The headers you sent reflect this. It looks as if Mailman on your end didn't cancel the held message, or it was moderated through as I was canceling it. You also cc-ed your reply to me, the copy that I

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-22 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Lindsay Haisley writes: On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 06:57 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Lindsay Haisley writes: The headers you sent reflect this. It looks as if Mailman on your end didn't cancel the held message, or it was moderated through as I was canceling it. You also cc-ed your reply

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-22 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 20:08 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: So, with the sender doesn't really have a way of knowing what happened, the sender will rightfully assume – and it would be the correct choice – that it failed, and will try again later. If this is a one-off situation, then I

[courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Lindsay Haisley
Sam, et al, Here's a situation that happened recently. I posted to a popular mailing list and courieresmtp logged the following. Aug 19 20:12:06 shakti courieresmtp: id=0027586D.50318EDD.6F31,from=fmouse-mail...@fmp.com,addr=mailman-us...@python.org: 450-4.3.2 Service

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.08.12 01:34, Lindsay Haisley wrote: Here's a situation that happened recently. I posted to a popular mailing list and courieresmtp logged the following. [...] The end result was that although I only posted once, two copies of my post were delivered to the list, and to all list subscribers.

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Tim Lyth
On 21/08/2012 2:34 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: Sam, et al, Here's a situation that happened recently. I posted to a popular mailing list and courieresmtp logged the following. Aug 19 20:12:06 shakti courieresmtp:

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Lindsay Haisley writes: Sam, et al, Here's a situation that happened recently. I posted to a popular mailing list and courieresmtp logged the following. Aug 19 20:12:06 shakti courieresmtp: id=0027586D.50318EDD.

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Tue, 2012-08-21 at 06:57 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Lindsay Haisley writes: Sam, et al, Here's a situation that happened recently. I posted to a popular mailing list and courieresmtp logged the following. Aug 19 20:12:06 shakti courieresmtp:

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Lindsay Haisley writes: OK, a little work with tcpdump and swaks clarified how things actually work. The designated SMTP server for the MUA engages in _two_ SMTP dialogs, one with them MUA and one with the recipient mail server. I'm quite skeptical that this is the case. There's no reason

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 08/20/2012 11:34 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: The end result was that although I only posted once, two copies of my post were delivered to the list, and to all list subscribers. Rather than speculate about what may or may not be happening with the user agent and the MTA, please locate those

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Tue, 2012-08-21 at 20:07 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: OK, a little work with tcpdump and swaks clarified how things actually work. The designated SMTP server for the MUA engages in _two_ SMTP dialogs, one with them MUA and one with the recipient mail server. I'm quite skeptical that

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Tue, 2012-08-21 at 17:33 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: Rather than speculate about what may or may not be happening with the user agent and the MTA, please locate those two messages and send a copy of *all* of the Received: headers from each. Send them to the list, unmodified. They

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Sam Varshavchik
[192.168.1.21] ([:::10.8.0.4]) by shakti.fmp.com with esmtp; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:20:28 -0500 id 002756F5.503433DC. 3928 Message-ID: 1345598428.2722.5.ca...@pudina.fmp.com Subject: Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors From: Lindsay Haisley fmouse-cour

Re: [courier-users] Courieresmtp and 450 errors

2012-08-21 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Tue, 2012-08-21 at 22:26 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Two messages, with the Date: header about three minutes apart. Different Message-ID: headers. If you didn't accidentally, manually, sent two copies, looks like your MUA is doing that behind your back, occasionally. This is