RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-21 Thread Bill
Haven't tried this, but as they are browser-accessed, it should be possible to trial all three in parallel on the same server by assigning them non-standard ports, at least w/r a non-ssl trial. It would be less work and risk OTOH, to install all three, select one at a time to run for trials. Or

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-21 Thread Bill
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/21/03 at 12:53 AM, James A Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 20:34 US/Central, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> - less risk of losing a 'reply' draft if you are a slow typist or take >> a >> phone call only to have your connection timed o

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-21 Thread Scott
Chris Berry wrote: I've been looking at sqwebmail and squirrelmail as possible candidates for setting up our webmail interface on top of qmail. Does anyone have a recommendation one way or the other? (preferably with some reasons why) This has been a burr in my bottom for a long time. I've trie

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-21 Thread Brian Candler
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 09:44:37AM -0500, Jesse Cablek wrote: > SquirrelMail for the interface, and personalities (I use one system user > for many email addresses and SqWebMail doesn't set Return-Path properly, > so it's hard to reply to mailing lists). Setting a 'Return-Path' header won't actu

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-21 Thread Jesse Cablek
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Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-21 Thread Jesse Cablek
Chris Berry wrote: I've been looking at sqwebmail and squirrelmail as possible candidates for setting up our webmail interface on top of qmail. Does anyone have a recommendation one way or the other? (preferably with some reasons why) I use both. SqWebMail for the speed, and GPG. SquirrelMail

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-21 Thread Bill
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/20/03 at 01:03 PM, "Chris Berry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I've been looking at sqwebmail and squirrelmail as possible candidates >for setting up our webmail interface on top of qmail. Does anyone have >a recommendation one way or the other? (preferably with s

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-21 Thread Scott
Chris Berry wrote: From: "Michael Bellears" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it > looks like I'm > going to have to go back and do some more research, see if > there is some > better criteria I can use to rule out one or two of them, > thanks for the

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread James A Baker
On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 20:34 US/Central, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - less risk of losing a 'reply' draft if you are a slow typist or take a phone call only to have your connection timed out (link it to the system editor for composition instead of using the built-in?, OR automatically do '

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Bill
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/21/03 at 02:19 PM, "Michael Bellears" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>Well that accepted a login. Redirected me to a blank page (Lynx and >>Mozilla) Netscape just said 'the document contained no data'. >Don't you just love Murphy's Law!! >> >>My point: It may or

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Michael Bellears
>Well that accepted a login. Redirected me to a blank page (Lynx and >Mozilla) Netscape just said 'the document contained no data'. Don't you just love Murphy's Law!! > >My point: It may or may not be a good product. But if the 'demo' site(s) is/are MS IE-specific, Java-dependent, over->cookie

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Bill
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/21/03 at 01:13 PM, "Michael Bellears" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> From which site Netscape and Mozilla *and* Lynx (FWIW) all get: >> >> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: _() in >> /usr/local/www/demo.hub.org/horde/config/registry.php on line 56 >> >> ?

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Michael Bellears
> From which site Netscape and Mozilla *and* Lynx (FWIW) all get: > > Fatal error: Call to undefined function: _() in > /usr/local/www/demo.hub.org/horde/config/registry.php on line 56 > > Well it is browser-independent anyway > > But that 'demoed' all *I* need to know about it... htt

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Bill
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/20/03 at 06:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: *SNIP* >There is a private demo site that is running the latest version of the >horde applications at hub.org put up and looked after by "Marc G. >Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Take a look at it. It might help you >

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Chris Berry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FWIW, there are some 'none of the above' products out there that look very neat as well, 'twig' for example. Oh I know that I looked at a bunch of others, but I rely heavily on google for training, and it looked like most people were using one of three (sqwebmail, squirrel

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Bill
Actually - thanks for starting the furor. I, for one, had become enamored enough of Squirrelmail's UI that I had *forgotten* that SQWebmail is cleaner and more efficient underneath. Maybe we ought to hack on the UI a bit and get that end-user barrier reduced. My priorities would be: - a cle

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Bill
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/20/03 at 05:05 PM, "Chris Berry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>From: "Michael Bellears" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it >> > looks like I'm >> > going to have to go back and do some more research, see if >> > th

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread eculp
Quoting Chris Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: | >From: "Michael Bellears" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > > I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it | > > looks like I'm | > > going to have to go back and do some more research, see if | > > there is some | > > better criteria I can use to

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Chris Berry
From: "Michael Bellears" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >My suggestion would be to install/use them all. > > Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. At the end of the day, you are the person responsible for the support/maintenance of the system - We can give you advice based o

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Scott
Chris Berry wrote: From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. squirrelmail and sqwebmail are both available on rpm (though they conflict because of /var/www/html/webmail). IMP requires a little RTFM exercise. Oh, you meant try them a

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Michael Bellears
> > > >My suggestion would be to install/use them all. > > Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. At the end of the day, you are the person responsible for the support/maintenance of the system - We can give you advice based on personal experience, but you are the

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Chris Berry
From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. squirrelmail and sqwebmail are both available on rpm (though they conflict because of /var/www/html/webmail). IMP requires a little RTFM exercise. Oh, you meant try them all out, I thought you m

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Chris Berry
From: "Michael Bellears" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it > looks like I'm > going to have to go back and do some more research, see if > there is some > better criteria I can use to rule out one or two of them, > thanks for the > response. My sugg

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Chris Berry
From: "Mitch \(WebCob\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My understanding was that sqwebmail used direct access through it's setuid access to read the Maildirs directly, thereby reducing server and localloop network load. Isnt' setuid usually a "bad thing" as it opens up all kinds of security holes? (though

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Mitch \(WebCob\)
My understanding was that sqwebmail used direct access through it's setuid access to read the Maildirs directly, thereby reducing server and localloop network load. It should be faster and run better for more users on a machine I think. Also, it's compiled C code, and that should count for somethi

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Michael Bellears
> I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it > looks like I'm > going to have to go back and do some more research, see if > there is some > better criteria I can use to rule out one or two of them, > thanks for the > response. My suggestion would be to install/use them

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Scott
Jesse Keating wrote: On Thursday 20 March 2003 15:00, Scott wrote: I have some users who are keen to try anything but outlook for calendaring. Their needs are minor so I'm going to see if they like the squirrelmail calendaring system. Is it a shared calendar system? Can one user schedule thing

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Chris Berry
From: "Michael Bellears" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > That looked kind of difficult to setup, any particular reason > you decided to > go with that solution? > I wouldn't say that it was difficult - There is an extremely helpful tutorial located here: http://www.geocities.com/oliversl/imp/ Once you have

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Michael Bellears
> > That looked kind of difficult to setup, any particular reason > you decided to > go with that solution? > I wouldn't say that it was difficult - There is an extremely helpful tutorial located here: http://www.geocities.com/oliversl/imp/ Once you have all the required prerequisites correc

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Scott
Chris Berry wrote: From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This has been a burr in my bottom for a long time. I've tried both with users and squirrelmail has been much better received. Users liked the layout and control of squirrelmail over sqwebmail. Unfortunately squirrelmail doesn't have the excel

Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Chris Berry
From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This has been a burr in my bottom for a long time. I've tried both with users and squirrelmail has been much better received. Users liked the layout and control of squirrelmail over sqwebmail. Unfortunately squirrelmail doesn't have the excellent SQwebmail filt

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Chris Berry
From: "Michael Bellears" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have been using Horde/Imp in production for over 6 Months, and have had nothing but positive feedback from users. That looked kind of difficult to setup, any particular reason you decided to go with that solution? Chris Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Syste

RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail

2003-03-20 Thread Michael Bellears
> > Chris Berry wrote: > > I've been looking at sqwebmail and squirrelmail as possible > candidates > > for setting up our webmail interface on top of qmail. Does > anyone have > > a recommendation one way or the other? (preferably with > some reasons why) We have been using Horde/Imp in pro