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On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:51:54PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> Inasmuch as I think the Feds are trying to put together a RICO case
> for Cypherpunks being some kind of "continuing criminal conspiracy,"
So which of y'all do I write about next?
(Just a joke, folks, just a joke. I have no information
A thought just occurred to me, and perhaps I'm totally off base.
But I've been watching both the prosecution and defense attorneys stumble
over technical terms (London had no idea what a mailing list, Leen was
talking about "encryptions"). Clearly Gordon has more of a clue[*] but
that's not sa
Realy only the Supreme Court, they'd look pretty silly ruling against the
line; No people, the Supreme Court is more authoritative than the
Constitution. My suggestion, not being a lawyer, would be that when one
were arraigned you demand a lawyer and a 'whatever the legal term is for a
time-out'
At 11:33 PM 4/4/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, snit wrote:
>
> > and that defense attorney is worth exactly squat.
>
>Doesn't need to be.
>
>He's there to help advise process and make sure papers get fuiled in an
>acceptable manner. He isn't there to defend you per se, that's yo
At 9:02 PM -0500 4/4/01, J.A. Terranson wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
>
>> Whether you're rich or poor the state is
>> OBLIGED to provide you an attorney.
>
>Provided that you are willing to execute complete financial disclosure
>forms, and attest to their accuracy, *and* provide
Hrmmm... You think you could convince the USG?
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:30:36 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: The Club Inferno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: CDR: Did you eve
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That no where in the Constitution itself is there ANY obligation placed
upon the individual?
That except for the 9th, there is no such obligations in the original Bill
of Rights either? And the only thing the 9th says is the individual can
claim whatever they want, and burden of dis-proof (provi
At 10:34 PM 4/4/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
> Amendment X
>
>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
>prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
>to the people.
>
>Now the state is REQUIRED to demonst
At 08:22 PM 4/4/01 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>In my article that I wrote yesterday evening, I said that the judge was
>reasonable. He did not live up to that billing today.
>
>Judge Tanner simply said no, and didn't give much reasoning. He thought
>these were old accusations and had little
You really don't get the pats on the head that you crave, do you, Jim?
>At 7:24 AM 4/4/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>Well, at least thank you for honestly admitting my points and view are
>valid and legitimate.
...
>At 10:36 PM 4/4/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>Which proves my main point.
...
>A
I once had a friend that had the same myopic legal fixation as Choate. She
had this love/hate relationship with the law. On the once hand, she was a
libertarian and very skeptical of the government. On the other, she did
things like become a notary to gain some sort of government-anointed
prest
In my article that I wrote yesterday evening, I said that the judge was
reasonable. He did not live up to that billing today.
Judge Tanner simply said no, and didn't give much reasoning. He thought
these were old accusations and had little relevance to the current trial.
Bell's attorney said h
At 10:36 PM 4/4/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>Which proves my main point.
Only if you're entirely on the side of the defense and have no desire to be
an independent actor.
-Declan
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> When you're a defendant.
>
> Because I wouldn't answer questions, I got off the stand very quickly.
>
> John Young didn't have an attorney sitting a few feet away who was
> from a large law firm and ready to file an emergency appeal to the 9th
> Ci
At 10:56 PM 4/4/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>Jim Bell wanted to call Ryan Lund, but the judge said no and denied
>the subpoena. Bell accuses Lund of being (as a fellow prisoner)
>a government informant and long-arm.
>
>-Declan
Did the judge give any reason for the denial?
steve
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> Jim Bell wanted to call Ryan Lund, but the judge said no and denied
> the subpoena. Bell accuses Lund of being (as a fellow prisoner)
> a government informant and long-arm.
Which clearly demonstates my main point.
__
You should have screamed 5th Amendment.
It says you don't have to answer ANY question.
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
>
> > Whether you're rich or poor the state is
> > OBLIGED to provide you an attorney.
>
> Provided that you are willing t
When you're a defendant.
Because I wouldn't answer questions, I got off the stand very quickly.
John Young didn't have an attorney sitting a few feet away who was
from a large law firm and ready to file an emergency appeal to the 9th
Circuit, and he spent far longer on the stand. He authenticate
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:32:57 -0500 (CDT), Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Note that there's NO stipulation about 'if you can't afford an attorney
> >one will be appointed to you'. Whether you're rich or poor the state
> >is OBLIGED t
Jim Bell wanted to call Ryan Lund, but the judge said no and denied
the subpoena. Bell accuses Lund of being (as a fellow prisoner)
a government informant and long-arm.
-Declan
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:34:53PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>
> Note the use of the word 'compulsory' with respect t
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:51:24 -0500 (CDT), Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >There are two fundamental corner-stones to any society:
> >
> >Toleration
>
> Tolerance I think you mean.
>
> Have I mentioned lately that you are an idiot?
Sho
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
> Whether you're rich or poor the state is
> OBLIGED to provide you an attorney.
Provided that you are willing to execute complete financial disclosure
forms, and attest to their accuracy, *and* provided that this disclosure
backs your assertion that you ca
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:52:46 -0500 (CDT), "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Anonymous wrote:
> >
> >
> >You may invoke the 5th for *any* question that *may* tend to incriminate
> >you, in *any* way. Certainl
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At 10:29 PM 4/4/01 +0200, Anonymous wrote:
>In light of recent "situations" involving cpunks and the courts, I've
been
>thinking about the 5th Amendment.
>
>I pose two questions:
>
>If called to testify in a criminal case, and asked the question "Are
you
>known by any other names" (or a derivative
At 10:29 PM 4/4/01 +0200, Anonymous wrote:
>In light of recent "situations" involving cpunks and the courts, I've been
>thinking about the 5th Amendment.
>
>I pose two questions:
>
>If called to testify in a criminal case, and asked the question "Are you
>known by any other names" (or a derivati
I don't know, I thought that was pretty funny.
Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason.
Miguel de Cervantes
The Armadillo Group ,:://
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Missing sense of humor
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The Armadillo Group
Note the use of the word 'compulsory' with respect to obtaining witnesses.
The judge and the feds have zero say in it. If the defendent calls they
answer.
> Amendment VI
>
> In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy
> and public
Note that there's NO stipulation about 'if you can't afford an attorney
one will be appointed to you'. Whether you're rich or poor the state is
OBLIGED to provide you an attorney.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a s
The point is you don't need one.
Read the 1st and the part about representing yourself and having an
attorney appointed to ASSIST you.
Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason.
At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:52:46 -0500 (CDT), "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Anonymous wrote:
>
>
>You may invoke the 5th for *any* question that *may* tend to incriminate
>you, in *any* way. Certainly these hypotheticals apply. What scares
>me is the use of "i
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Anonymous wrote:
>
> You may invoke the 5th for *any* question that *may* tend to incriminate
> you, in *any* way. Certainly these hypotheticals apply. What scares me
> is the use of "involuntary immunizations" by persecuters to
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Anonymous wrote:
You may invoke the 5th for *any* question that *may* tend to incriminate
you, in *any* way. Certainly these hypotheticals apply. What scares me
is the use of "involuntary immunizations" by persecuters to get around the
invocation...
> I pose two questions
At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:51:24 -0500 (CDT), Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>There are two fundamental corner-stones to any society:
>
>Toleration
Tolerance I think you mean.
Have I mentioned lately that you are an idiot?
No?
You're an idiot.
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Sure it is, free speech, privacy, etc.
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In light of recent "situations" involving cpunks and the courts, I've been
thinking about the 5th Amendment.
I pose two questions:
If called to testify in a criminal case, and asked the question "Are you
known by any other names" (or a derivative of that question), could one
plead the fifth i
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Anonymous wrote:
>
> "American Life Project" needs killing.
>
> Americans Support Email Monitoring, Study Finds
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A survey released Monday finds Americans are
> worried about criminal activity on the Internet and willing to let law
> enforcement agencies intercept suspe
Short notice, but maybe time enough to send informed hecklers?
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At 11:18 PM 4/2/01 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
>And since John Young already
>threw me into the flaming-pit, I thought I'd give the question a try
>in public.
He warned you, yet you attacked; so he defended himself.
Next time, RTFM.
Sunlight is good.
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
> Subject: CDR: Third Voice Trails Off
> http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42803,00.html
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There's the backhanded attack Seth was talking about earlier.
Declan: this was *pure* ad hominem.
J.A. Terranson
"The Censorhappy Sysadmin"
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:29:35 -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/business/A34112-2001Apr3.html
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The Armad
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dmolnar wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
> >
> > That the populate in general will find a way to resolve the disparities
> > and problems by simple understanding and toleration.
>
> Has anyone ever done a study - a worthwhile, entertaining, informative,
> caut
Tim May wrote:
> I see a newcomer, Seth Finkelstein, harshly criticizing Declan and
> others. Easy to ignore someone who wasn't even here the day before
> yesterday.
Point of information: "nonconsentingly delurked" is more accurate
than "newcomer".
There's a few messages by me ye
[re-arranged for clarity]
James A. Donald wrote
> Declan's news articles contain nothing that is not better attested by the
> defendant's own postings.
I believe this is factually incorrect. For example, per the Complaint:
"41. On November 11, 2000, an article about the search warran
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Declan McCullagh wrote:
> It's important for cypherpunks to understand why Seth Finkelstein has
> (apparently) recently subscribed to the list.
As I predicted, quote: "And you're a Libertarian and I'm not, too!"
Sigh. If you'd bothered to *read* my messages before writing
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