Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Christopher Adams
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Mushon Zer-Aviv wrote: > Well, > There are methodologies that are already being used. Basically, the whole > field of information architecture and the whole process of > wireframing/prototyping/testing is all about documenting strategy. Coding > (should) happens on

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Christopher Adams
Mushon, That is a really fine and provocative suggestion on your part—to write about software that does not exist but should. It seeks the excluded middle between the Floss Manuals which are too perfunctory on the one hand and too presumptuous on the other *(An Open Web,* which I also worked on, b

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Mushon Zer-Aviv
Well, There are methodologies that are already being used. Basically, the whole field of information architecture and the whole process of wireframing/prototyping/testing is all about documenting strategy. Coding (should) happens only after that. We need open tools for interface prototyping. If

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread j...@rejon.org
I totally agree Mushon. Totally. Manuals are dead. Atrophied. Even worse when they get printed. Yes, totally, make future manuals, then fill in the blanks to them. That is totally the approach I took in participating in the open web book: http://openweb.flossmanuals.net/ There is a book sprint

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Mushon Zer-Aviv
On Feb 21, 2011, at 4:17, Gregory Pittman wrote: > All fodder for discussion at LGM. Certainly we need to get out of the dark > ages of documentation as an afterthought. > > Greg > This is actually a huge issue I recently discussed with Adam Hyde of Floss Manuals. FM was initially establish

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Gregory Pittman
On 02/20/2011 01:20 PM, a.l.e wrote: salut louis One hopes that it can progress in tandem with the code, by necessity a bit behind cutting-edge features Actually, shouldn't that be the way around? Documenting is thinking. We can look at this from two ends. Case #1 The program exists and it is

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread a.l.e
salut louis > > One hopes that it can progress in tandem with the code, by > > necessity a bit behind cutting-edge features > > > Actually, shouldn't that be the way around? Documenting is thinking. > We can look at this from two ends. Case #1 The program exists and it > is (partially) or (not w

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Louis Desjardins
2011/2/20 Gregory Pittman > One hopes that it can progress in tandem with the code, by necessity a bit > behind cutting-edge features Actually, shouldn't that be the way around? Documenting is thinking. We can look at this from two ends. Case #1 The program exists and it is (partially) or (not

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Gregory Pittman
On 02/20/2011 07:57 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: documenters is a problem -- and that is purely my fault. I've tried to write the manual on my own, but I don't have time. This is certainly a worthy aspect of any discussions. At Scribus, we have had something of an evolutionary development of docum

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Yuval Levy
On February 20, 2011 02:23:50 am Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > It's quite the same with Inkscape, except that some of the students > stick and continue working past their projects. oh, we got those too. I don't know if Inkscape has more; and I don't know if our experience is representative. St

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Yuval Levy
On February 20, 2011 02:37:50 am Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > Could we get straight to > actually communicating to potential contributors, please? Let's start identifying them first? Being a contributor is a mindset. We are all users, but some of us, for whatever reason, decide to give back.

Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

2011-02-20 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Saturday 19 February 2011, Yuval Levy wrote: > On February 19, 2011 06:49:40 am Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > Krita is one of the few libre graphics projects that > > doesn't really have a dearth of developers. I'm sometimes worried about > > the churn, and about the way my day job interferes these