Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Gregory Pittman
On 04/10/2014 07:36 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: On 10 April 2014 23:26, María Leandro wrote: from the point of view of a victim In the January discussion, it was suggested that all CoC documents be phrased positively rather than negatively, and many people voiced support for that. Rather than a

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Dave Crossland
On 10 April 2014 23:26, María Leandro wrote: > from the point of view of a victim In the January discussion, it was suggested that all CoC documents be phrased positively rather than negatively, and many people voiced support for that. Rather than anti-badthing, phasing things as pro-goodthing i

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Gregory Pittman
On 04/10/2014 02:08 PM, Susan Spencer wrote: Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their safety. I am certainly in agreement with a Code of Conduct. At the same time, one must realize that a Code of Conduct does not necessarily prevent incidents, it only specifies how

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread María Leandro
Hello all. Just trying to help here, so if my comment raise any susceptibility please forgive me. As someone who lives in a "region" where a CoC is completely useless, and someone who has been sexually harassed at different conferences, I must agree that there are different types of harassment, a

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Dave Crossland
On 10 Apr 2014 19:55, "Tobias Ellinghaus" wrote: > > two equal opponents That abstract concept is a fallacy. It's a mirage. It never occurs in reality. Power is always at play and has many forms. No opponents are equal, each of us has our strengths and weaknesses. Susan's email describes thing

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Susan Spencer
Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their safety. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2014, 16:57:18 schrieb Susan Spencer: > > I think that many people by now have heard that there has been > > prolonged harassment in t

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Tobias Ellinghaus
Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2014, 16:57:18 schrieb Susan Spencer: > I think that many people by now have heard that there has been > prolonged harassment in the LGM community which No, please elaborate. I guess a discussion can only happen if everyone has the same level of information. > continued

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Femke Snelting
Are there notes from the meeting? See this thread: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/create/2014-April/004897.html Meeting notes: http://piratepad.net/LGM2014conduct F I think that many people by now have heard that there has been prolonged harassment in the LGM community which continued

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Simon Budig
Susan Spencer (susan.spen...@gmail.com) wrote: > The University of Leipzig and the LGM sponsors have not been notified > that there was harassment and assault during the conference. [...] > We have a clear irrefutable example of this in our own community. It saddens me to hear that. I hope that

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Definitely sad news, yet unsurprising. Without a CoC then what to do is for me uncertain, as you say. The coc meeting you describe is as I would expect though - I thought it was to be a prelude to a CoC for 2015+, not to parachute one in to an event in progress, despite the need for that on th

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Femke Snelting
Dear Susan, dear all As part of the group working on establishing a code of conduct I feel sad that we ended up in this situation. It is rather complicated and muddled with nothing yet in place to respond without hesitation, as Susan clearly points out. The last is surely not said about this;

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

2014-04-10 Thread Susan Spencer
I think that many people by now have heard that there has been prolonged harassment in the LGM community which continued into the LGM 2014 conference at Leipzig. This harassment reached a peak with physical assault in an elevator, and there is a witness to the assault. The University of Leipzig an

Re: [CREATE] [LGM] LGM 2014 T-Shirt

2014-04-10 Thread ale rimoldi
hi guerrier > T-shits are already made. > http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/lgm2014-ocean-blue/ > I would like wear one, though I didn't attend the meeting. > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Kẏra wrote: > > > I hope that any such t-shirts would be sourced from worker-owned > > cooperati

Re: [CREATE] LGM 2014 T-Shirt

2014-04-10 Thread guerrier
T-shits are already made. http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/lgm2014-ocean-blue/ I would like wear one, though I didn't attend the meeting. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Kẏra wrote: > I hope that any such t-shirts would be sourced from worker-owned > cooperatives and not exploitative sweats