Re: [Crm-sig] Are there "weak inverse" shortcuts?

2022-10-19 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear Wolfgang, we had just spotted the first weak shortcut at P7, and I think another one. On 10/19/2022 5:59 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig wrote: And another one: Are there really no "weak inverse" shortcuts? Meghini & Doerr 2018 argue that weak inverse shortcuts are possible, although

Re: [Crm-sig] Are there "weak inverse" shortcuts?

2022-10-19 Thread Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig
Aha, this belongs to issue 613. I didn’t see it before. > Am 19.10.2022 um 16:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig > : > > And another one: Are there really no "weak inverse" shortcuts? > > Meghini & Doerr 2018 argue that weak inverse shortcuts are possible, although > their example

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: shortcuts in P50 has current keeper, P52 has current owner, P55 has current location

2022-10-19 Thread Carlo Meghini via Crm-sig
I think there is no inconsistency, the axiom always derives the current location of the object. At different times, the object may be located in different places, but this is no inconsistency, as the current location is never written into the KB, it is always derived (via the axiom) on the

[Crm-sig] Are there "weak inverse" shortcuts?

2022-10-19 Thread Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig
And another one: Are there really no "weak inverse" shortcuts? Meghini & Doerr 2018 argue that weak inverse shortcuts are possible, although their example looks a little artificial: E18 Physical Thing P53 has former or current location E53 Place implies E18 Physical Thing P161 has spatial

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: shortcuts in P50 has current keeper, P52 has current owner, P55 has current location

2022-10-19 Thread Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig
Dear Carlo, If the scopenote text describe the a world or a model for the theory, it is true. More formalistic: If I add this second move to a knowledge base, then there are no formal way to detect that the knowledge base is inconsistent? Best, Christian-Emil

Re: [Crm-sig] Naming the .1 properties in FOL

2022-10-19 Thread Carlo Meghini via Crm-sig
Hello, I don't see a reason why they should be named differently in the FOL. Neither do I, I forgot why we did not use the ".1" notation in FOL. Maybe because it's a bit unconventional, but then, we can do what we want ... Carlo Best, Wolfgang

[Crm-sig] Naming the .1 properties in FOL

2022-10-19 Thread Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig
Now that Carlo has entered the conversation, I have another one: The .1 properties are called e.g. P14(x,y,z) in the FOL expressions. However, everywhere else they are called e.g. P14.1: * Introduction, "About the logical expressions used in the CIDOC CRM": "we use P14.1 as the ternary

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: shortcuts in P50 has current keeper, P52 has current owner, P55 has current location

2022-10-19 Thread Carlo Meghini via Crm-sig
Dear Christian-Emil I don't think that the axiom contradicts the scopenote text. In those worlds where there is a move w taking x away from y and w is after z (so the antecedent is false), P55(x,y) (the consequent) is false as well but the axiom still holds. Carlo Il 19/10/22 13:23,

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: shortcuts in P50 has current keeper, P52 has current owner, P55 has current location

2022-10-19 Thread Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig
In the scope notes of the "current" properties it is written that, say, P55 has current location, P55(x,y) is the case if and only if the physical object x is not moved from the place y at a later date than it was moved to y. Expressed in ordinary FOL (without any requirement of open world