Dear All,
I suggest to extend the sense of /AP29 appears in/ to activity type. The
current scope note (issue 294) talks about object types only. We can
think of an "appears in" described by spacetime (E4 Period), "typically"
using object types, /appearing under/ actor types, or "appearing within"
Groups.
The sense of "appears in" does not make claims that cannot be related to
evidence.
Opinions?
On 3/10/2023 9:47 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote:
I agree.
I think there is still an open discussion how to document such things,
but the research questions could be formulated. I agree that we must
not fall in the trap to produce artificial discrimination by crisp
classes between things that are in constant flow and transition. I
think a good vocabulary for *associating particular*, *intellectually
related *phenomena, core and wider, with all the flexibility of
generalization, specialization and faceting, and the *subjectivity of
the classifying* documentalist, and *properties explicating*
*evidential influence* (reported by participants or observed) would
serve all requirements for documentation, search and discovery and
wider research.
We want not to say:" this is Tango" and "this is not", we want to say
"this appears to be an early form of Argentinian Tango performance"
"exhibits elements of" etc.
I think we could talk about general "appearance" of such phenomena in
a E4 Period X and comprising people of type Y, where the evidential
particulars are the support of the wider statement, without claiming
boundaries nor coverage within these limits. The phenomena would be
particular, observable manifestations of various kinds, performances,
scores, songs, poems, oral literature, costumes, social meetings etc.
By the way, I think Tango is much more complex than Rembetiko. There
may be quite different heterogeneous forms and communities, an
international industry creating Tango apparel, training business etc.
Rembetiko is still quite confined, has musical rythmic and stylistic
characteristics and is not (much) commercialized.
Best,
Martin
On 3/10/2023 9:42 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote:
It is as I wrote, an interesting question. The idea behind
the development of the CRM is that it should be based on documented
practice in the various disciplines and a be a formalization of this
documented practice. It is not meant to be a general formal
description of everything going on in the entire world. The use of
fformal ontologies tends to push the documentation into
structuralism. Structuralism is well suited as a basis for many
things, but not all. Many cultural phenomena are better documented by
free text essays.
Best,
Christian-Emil
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*Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and
E74 Group
Thank you all for your comments and contributions.
None of the solutions proposed so far convinces me.
Intangible heritage (Tango, for instance) is not the cumulation of
many/all related activities/actors (Tango performances, Tango
dancers, etc), which instead are related because they are all
manifestations/performers of the same abstract concept.
Rebetiko is even more difficult to characterize as it involves a
particular lifestyle and individuals - the mangas in the past,
perhaps now more a mood than a social class - and is often
associated with the bouzouki. But of course it is not the mere
addition of all this.
I am not suggesting to study such concepts in greater detail, it may
be off-topic.
I think however that it is impossible to document monuments without
addressing their intangible component. This came up when dealing with
conservation: it is not just a matter to maintain their physical
state, preserving their E3 Condition State which according to its
scope note "describes the prevailing PHYSICAL condition of any
material object”. Opening a Mac Donald in the Coliseum would not
alter too much its E3, but would probably depreciate its value as a
monument.
best
Franco
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