Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Thomas Hallgren
On 2012-09-06 07:57, Ian Bull wrote: Maybe this is the wake-up call we all needed, or maybe it's simply another yeah, things need to improve and someone else better do it. :-| Nobody needs to improve anything with 3.8 to make it completely superior to 4.2. Introducing a new platform

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
It has indeed been predictable and we have even been warned about it from the provider of the platform themselves. I distinctively remember a message from McQ warning us all about the various staffing issues he had, and that he had to make drastic choices. I remember that as well and I

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Ed Willink
Hi On 06/09/2012 11:18, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote: I remember that as well and I also remember being astonished that the plan to aggressively deprecate 3.x stream proceeded regardless. So that was a mistake. We can't change the past; only learn from it. We should still do as best we can

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 09/06/2012 08:23 AM, Thomas Hallgren wrote: Introducing a new platform undoubtedly consumes a lot of resources. Doing that anyway (and as the only viable alternative), well aware that those resources were scarce and that the new platform had inferior performance, and then blame the community

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Stephan Herrmann step...@cs.tu-berlin.de To: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:40:02 PM Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2 On 09/06/2012 08:23 AM, Thomas Hallgren wrote: Introducing

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Konstantin Komissarchik konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com To: Cross project issues cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:13:41 PM Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2 The one that does

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 09/06/2012 01:01 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: As a thought experiment: are the e4-RCP folks strong enough in resources to make 4.3 a replacement that will not get into faces of the IDE nerds? What about e4-RCP folks outnumber the IDE nerds significantly (amongst active contributors) so

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Stephan Herrmann step...@cs.tu-berlin.de To: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:17:49 PM Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2 On 09/06/2012 01:01 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: As a

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Thomas Hallgren
On 2012-09-06 13:25, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: The only truth is Someone must do the job, if there isn't anyone it will never be done. Doing do the job in this case means deliver a high quality IDE. With respect to 3.8, someone has already done that job. That job may have started with 4.2 but

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Ed Willink
Hi What about e4-RCP folks outnumber the IDE nerds significantly (amongst active contributors) so it's there call. The one that does the job decides! This contrast makes no sense to me. The magic of Eclipse is that it has provided a generic platform for a variety of purposes. So all the

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Konstantin Komissarchik konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com To: Cross project issues cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:55:39 PM Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2 The real problem is

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Juno RC1 RC2 Staging (maintenance) repository is complete

2012-09-06 Thread Oberhuber, Martin
Hi Matthias, I think it is the other way round : The culprits are com.google.gerrit.(common|prettify), And they have an optional greedy dependency on the _package_ org.eclipse.jgit.diff. Here’s how you can check: ssh build.eclipse.org cd /home/data/httpd/download.eclipse.org/releases/staging

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Mike Wilson
That's good data, Denis. If we could get similarly stable results out of the test framework, then my fears on that front would definitely be unfounded. McQ. From: Denis Roy denis@eclipse.org To: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org Date: 2012/09/05 20:48 Subject:Re:

[cross-project-issues-dev] hudson is broken

2012-09-06 Thread Greg Watson
Build is failing with the following message: Started by upstream project ptp-photran-nightly build number 94 Building remotely on hudson-slave2 Checkout:ptp-nightly / https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/job/ptp-nightly/ws/ - hudson.remoting.Channel@32cf63bb:hudson-slave2 Using strategy: Default

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Juno RC1 RC2 Staging (maintenance) repository is complete

2012-09-06 Thread Oberhuber, Martin
Actually I’d think that if Orbit uses a “Juno” builder, any optional dependencies should be non-greedy automatically… David, do you have an idea why this doesn’t work here ? Martin From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread John Arthorne
Hi Mike, There is quite a lot missing from our old IBM build that we have not yet been able to get running on eclipse.org hardware. There is a reasonably good summary of that state in [1], mentioned on this list in the past [2]. All of this is the same for both the 3.8 and 4.2 builds, so maybe

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

2012-09-06 Thread Mike Milinkovich
This one I know the answer to. We puchased a brand new Mac Mini, and we've received it. It will be provisioned and available shortly after Matt gets back from vacation. Mac tests: The mac test machine in particular has been difficult to get any kind of tests to run on consistently. Tests

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Juno RC1 RC2 Staging (maintenance) repository is complete

2012-09-06 Thread David M Williams
David, do you have an idea why this doesn’t work here ? I suspect someone is using an old Orbit repository? Everyone, for Juno (SR1), should be using R20120526062928 I did just check it, and there are no optional dependencies there that are explicitly marked greedy. I suspect are ways via

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Juno RC1 RC2 Staging (maintenance) repository is complete

2012-09-06 Thread Steffen Pingel
After digging deep in our releng scripts I discovered that one of the scripts uses Tycho 0.12 to generate meta-data as part of the promotion process. Unfortunately that caused all optional dependencies in Mylyn release repositories to be marked as greedy (when I last looked at the reports the

[cross-project-issues-dev] Two Orbit I builds to be removed from downloads

2012-09-06 Thread David M Williams
Two Orbit I-builds [1] were promoted today to downloads that (we think) have in incorrect bundle (fragment) manifest. We have reverted it, but since available such a short period of time, plan just to revert to previous version/qualifier, instead of incrementing qualifier with same content