Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CodeEnvy continues to use deceptivewording that's harmful to Eclipse

2016-06-30 Thread Jesse McConnell
I think Eclipse (the Foundation) does a disservice to itself every year with its naming scheme for Eclipse (the IDE). The word 'Eclipse' is either a book about vampires to most people, or a fancy code editor to more technically inclined people. While pushing all the projects to prepend Eclipse

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CodeEnvy continues to use deceptivewording that's harmful to Eclipse

2016-06-30 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
> I do not believe the foundation as such should restrict a specific projects > ability to market it self as long as it is not directly deceiving nor > outright lying. I contend that the wording is used expressly for the purpose of deceiving Eclipse user base into thinking that Che is the

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CodeEnvy continues to use deceptive wording that's harmful to Eclipse

2016-06-30 Thread Doug Schaefer
Great words Max. Whole heartedly agree. I think the real issue started at EclipseCon where they presented themselves as “the next generation Eclipse IDE”, not “a next generation Eclipse IDE", or as I see now their web pages simply stating "Eclipse Che Next Generation Eclipse IDE” which implies

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CodeEnvy continues to use deceptive wording that's harmful to Eclipse

2016-06-30 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 06/30/2016 10:27 AM, Eike Stepper wrote: Hi All, I have not a very strong opinion on this wording, but it strikes me that their wording is unnecessarily biasing. "Next-generation" does imply that it's a newer and better variant of something that's older and less good. IMHO, "next

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CodeEnvy continues to use deceptive wording that's harmful to Eclipse

2016-06-30 Thread Eike Stepper
Hi All, I have not a very strong opinion on this wording, but it strikes me that their wording is unnecessarily biasing. "Next-generation" does imply that it's a newer and better variant of something that's older and less good. I would appreciate if they just tried to avoid this connotation

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CodeEnvy continues to use deceptive wording that's harmful to Eclipse

2016-06-30 Thread Max Andersen
Hi Konstantin, Below is my opinon as an Eclipse community member (not speaking on behalf of the foundation nor my employer) I recognize the wording CodeEnvy or rather the Eclipse Che project is bold and for some maybe even directly threatining - but I do not believe the foundation as such should