Re: Blue Spike and Digital Watermarking with Giovanni

2000-01-16 Thread Robin Whittle
Hi Eugene, There are many parts of your recent comments which I disagree with, as much as I understand them. Some of what you write isn't really clear to me, and I don't feel like debating each point in detail. However, here are a two points of clarification, regarding "Napster" and my

Re: Blue Spike and Digital Watermarking with Giovanni

2000-01-16 Thread Paul Crowley
As far as I know, all fielded watermarking schemes can be defeated with simple, invisible distortions of the image - see http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~fapp2/steganography/ for work done by Fabien Petitcolas and Ross Anderson. You don't even have to have more than one copy of the picture or know

Re: Blue Spike and Digital Watermarking with Giovanni

2000-01-16 Thread bram
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000, Eugene Leitl wrote: Joe Sixpack also doesn't believe that color laser copiers leave an unique signature on each copy, allowing you to trace the copy to an individual device. Nevertheless these are there, and can be evaluated if need arises. (Just try distributing a few

Re: Blue Spike and Digital Watermarking with Giovanni

2000-01-16 Thread Eugene Leitl
Well, the deformations must be smooth, so this just describes an attack against a certain type of watermarks. As I said, it is difficult to resiliently watermark a single image. Paul Crowley writes: As far as I know, all fielded watermarking schemes can be defeated with simple, invisible

RE: Blue Spike and Digital Watermarking with Giovanni

2000-01-16 Thread Magroglou, Andrew (Aus) - N Ryde
Correct Working for Xerox I can assure you that all of our colour machines together with all our competitors colour machines leave a "trace". I have seen this in action with respect to our Australian Federal Police tracking down money printed on one of our machines. Regards AM -Original