Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread Don Davis
what methods do folks currently use (on NT and unix) to generate a random seed ... mr. hodges, solaris has a good trng product called cryptorand. i've reviewed its internals closely. cryptorand works by hashing kernel memory. the pointers in kernel memory get shuffled constantly by external

Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread William Allen Simpson
I've been putting a cheap sound card in every machine, not connected to any external wires, cp'ing from it on reboot. Seems to generate a nice chunk of randomness, but I've never measured it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm curious about what all methods do folks currently use (on NT and

Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread Dennis Glatting
John Kelsey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 07:08 PM 6/5/00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm curious about what all methods do folks currently use (on NT and unix) to generate a random seed in the case where user interaction (e.g. the ol' mouse pointer waving or

Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dennis Glatting writes: There is an article (somewhere) on the net of digital cameras focused on lava lamps. Photos are taken of the lava lamps and mixed into a hash function to generate random data. I believe the author had some algorithm for turning the lamps

Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread David R. Conrad
There is an article (somewhere) on the net of digital cameras focused on lava lamps. This is patented by Bob Mende of SGI. Rgds, -drc

Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread Eric Murray
On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 08:30:02AM -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote: I've been putting a cheap sound card in every machine, not connected to any external wires, cp'ing from it on reboot. Seems to generate a nice chunk of randomness, but I've never measured it. About 5 years ago when I

Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 3:15 AM -0500 6/6/2000, John Kelsey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 07:08 PM 6/5/00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm curious about what all methods do folks currently use (on NT and unix) to generate a random seed in the case where user interaction (e.g. the ol' mouse

Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread David A. Wagner
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm curious about what all methods do folks currently use (on NT and unix) to generate a random seed in the case where user interaction (e.g. the ol' mouse pointer waving or keyboard tapping approaches) isn't a viable option? See

Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread Jeff . Hodges
Thanks to everyone for the info -- it's definitely helpful. Yesterday, I had a brain fart and searched by archive of this list for "random" and neglected "entropy". This popped up using the latter (slightly embarrassing that it's in response to a v. similar question I'd asked not long ago

doh! shoulda used google [random, randomness, entropy]

2000-06-06 Thread Jeff . Hodges
A search on "randomness" in google.com turns up David's pages as the top two hits.. http://www.google.com/url?sa=Ustart=1q=http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~daw/netsc ape-randomness.htmle=110 http://www.google.com/url?sa=Ustart=2q=http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~daw/rnd/e =110 JeffH

Re: Arcbot

2000-06-06 Thread Antonomasia
coderpunks and cryptography archive example usage: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] EOF grep arcot get [EMAIL PROTECTED] get [EMAIL PROTECTED] EOF ArcotSign was discussed in 1998 and http://www.arcot.com in 1999 and 2000. I haven't read everything to remind myself of any conclusions that were reached.

Re: random seed generation without user interaction?

2000-06-06 Thread David Honig
At 11:39 AM 6/6/00 -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: There is an article (somewhere) on the net of digital cameras focused on lava lamps. Photos are taken of the lava lamps and mixed into a I had thought it was patented, but a quick search of uspto.gov didn't turn it up. The basic principle is