I just read _The Incredible Bread Machine_, by R. W. Grant. A Fox & Wilkes book, available from Laissez-Faire Books. I think a quote from page 241, on The Limits of Political Action, is appropriate in re the recent "I told you so" observation by Lucky Green: Government is force, and politics is simply the means of deciding who gets to use it at whose expense. By its nature, then, politics will inexorably represent the interests of those who seek the favors of government. Hence the bewilderment of voters who find that no matter who wins the election, government continues to grow bigger and more intrusive. At best, transient reforms can be accomplished, but the underlying dynamic of politics is constantly to expand the role of the state. Accordingly, those seeking to limit the role of political force [aka crypto export laws] in our society are quite literally disenfranchised. You can vote for ruler A or ruler B, but you can't vote for <i>no</i> ruler. Political action can possibly be helpful for educational purposes, or as a rear-guard effort, but its effectiveness as an influence for less government is limited. [as we've seen.] What to do? Attack the state at the source of its power: our cooperation. It can be noisy civil disobediance. It can be simply ignoring an unenforcable law. It can be challenging the power of the state in its own institution, as in the Bernstein, Karn, and Junger cases. I highly encourage all [EMAIL PROTECTED] readers to read The Incredible Bread Machine. It puts together a comprehensive attack on the legitimacy of the state. -- -russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells OSI Certified(tm) Open Source Sware| PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool!