James A. Donald:
> The US officials planning the deal did not consciously know
> they were lying. The European offiicials that accepted the
> deal did not consciously know they were being lied to. People
> with that kind of hostile and cynical attitude do not get
> appointed to those kind of jobs
--
At 07:12 PM 5/18/99 -0400, Dan Geer wrote:
> Let us eliminate the impossible so that the remainder,
>however improbable, is true. (1) If the NYT has it, then it
>cannot be news to the victims (2) If it is not news to the
>victims, then it cannot be news to
>at least some of their g
> pieces, they didn't disassemble the antennas and reduce the stuff, as
^
sorry, should be "staff". My english is horrible...
> What does shock me, however, is that so many European countries
> have been completely blind to what has been going on up to this
> point.
Let us eliminate the impossible so that the
remainder, however improbable, is true.
(1) If the NYT has it, then it cannot be news to the vict
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 04:18:11PM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>
> What does shock me, however, is that so many European countries have
> been completely blind to what has been going on up to this point.
They are not exactly blind. They just love this certain way of
simulating blindness, cal
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Perry E. Metzger" writes:
>
>A short rant:
>
>I am not the least bit shocked to read, in the link published here
>earlier today:
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/techweb/TW_Report_U_S_Uses_Key_Escrow_To_Steal_Secrets.
>html
>
>that the US has, for some time, been conducti
The author of the STOA report on Echelon, Duncan Campbell,
offers the report:
http://www.iptvreports.mcmail.com/stoa_cover.htm
We offer a zipped version Duncan provided:
http://jya.com/ic2000.zip (961K)
There are two others in the series which are now completed
of comparable interest,
If this is the same report that the STOA was speaking of last week
(Duncan Campbell's Interception Capabilities 2000) you can find it
at: http://www.iptvreports.mcimail.com/interception_capabilities_2000.htm.
Gregg Siegfried
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Anyone have a link for the actual report? Thanks
anybody who wanted to know this knew it. It was a neccessary reality as the
dissolution of boundaries blurred the distinctions between nations and
multi-national corporations.
Europeans do this overtly. The French call it "economic patriotism." They
bugged the first class seats in trans-Atlantic
>
> If the Europeans know what's good for them, they'll start pushing mass
> use of crypto instead of fighting it.
>
> Perry
>
Or, rather than give up such a ripe source of elint, they'll try to set
things up so that only they can snoop on their own people.
Sort of a property rights issue rathe
Anyone have a link for the actual report? Thanks.
-R
A short rant:
I am not the least bit shocked to read, in the link published here
earlier today:
http://www.nytimes.com/techweb/TW_Report_U_S_Uses_Key_Escrow_To_Steal_Secrets.html
that the US has, for some time, been conducting economic espionage
against European countries, and that an E.U. rep
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