RE: draft regulations?

1999-11-29 Thread Rodger, William
> -Original Message- > From: John Gilmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 3:55 PM > To: Rodger, William > Cc: William Allen Simpson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: draft regulations? > I wrote: > > Open Sou

Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-26 Thread Donald E. Eastlake 3rd
Of course not, "click here if you aren't a terrorist" is incorrect. "click here if you are not a citizen or national of, and this data is not being downloaded to, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, ..." quite probably is adequate. When I designed the initial CyberCash wallet downloading page, it checked

Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-26 Thread John Gilmore
Will Rodger said: > Open Source code, believe it or not, would be essentially > decontrolled by this proposal. Look closer. The large print granteth and the small print taketh away. It would be simple to exempt published encryption software from the regulations; the Commerce Dept regs did this

Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-26 Thread Russell Nelson
Martin Minow writes: > > Russell Nelson wrote: > > ... You also have to (somehow) prevent users from > > Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria form downloading > > the code. > > Ok. how am I going to do that (rhetorical question)? My Web Server is the > module distribut

Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-24 Thread Martin Minow
Russell Nelson wrote: > ... You also have to (somehow) prevent users from > Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria form downloading > the code. Ok. how am I going to do that (rhetorical question)? My Web Server is the module distributed with every recent MacOS system (i.e., all

RE: draft regulations?

1999-11-24 Thread Russell Nelson
Rodger, William writes: > Based on a conversation I had with Commerce Undersecretary William Reinsch > last night, as well as other crypto-savvy attorneys, I think it's probably > more useful to look at the first page of the draft. Open Source code, > believe it or not, would be essentially de

RE: draft regulations?

1999-11-24 Thread Rodger, William
unveiled the plan? Simple: they hadn't thought of it. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/ctg734.htm Will > -Original Message- > From: William Allen Simpson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 11:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: d

solutions?, was Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-24 Thread Ed Gerck
William Allen Simpson wrote: > What I meant is, I'd like to contribute code to FreeSWAN, or OpenSSL, > or whatever, but the inclusion of a single line of my code will make > the entire thing subject to EAR regulation. Worse, a single line of > code that "looks" like a line I published will sub

Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-24 Thread Vadim Fedukovich
According to William Allen Simpson: > ... > What I meant is, I'd like to contribute code to FreeSWAN, or OpenSSL, > or whatever, but the inclusion of a single line of my code will make > the entire thing subject to EAR regulation. I wonder how broad is or will be "code" concept. An interesting

Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-24 Thread William Allen Simpson
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote: > > I was about to make a snide comment that they're just endorsing open source > software -- but is there any definition of "other restriction"? Does the GPL > count? Are they trying to ban any publication of anything that isn't flat-out > public domain? And if so

RE: draft regulations?

1999-11-24 Thread Salz, Rich
>Looks like they are reinventing the GPL, except to infect >other sources. I think they want to make sure that if some non-US package (openssl being the example most obvious to me) picks it up that it doesn't suddenly become "free." So it's not the GPL, really, but more like the old BSD license.

Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-24 Thread Ian Goldberg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steven M. Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >For that matter, what is "export"? Posting something to Usenet? >Putting it up on a Web page or FTP server? The act of downloading it? As far as I know, they haven't changed the definition of "export". Which means t

Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-24 Thread Dan Geer
... For that matter, what is "export"? Posting something to Usenet? Putting it up on a Web page or FTP server? The act of downloading it? Egad, Steve, a highest and best use for spam. I'll buy those 300,000 e-mail addresses and send them all a copy of the GPG source, each with another

Re: draft regulations?

1999-11-23 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William Allen Simpson writes: > Looks like they are reinventing the GPL, except to infect other sources. > > (4)(i) for encryption source code (including published source code > which is subject to proprietary commercial agreements or other > restriction),

draft regulations?

1999-11-23 Thread William Allen Simpson
>From: Alan Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >The draft regulations are available now on CDT's web site at: > > http://www.cdt.org/crypto/regs112399.shtml > (2) Source code released under this provision remains of U.S. origin even when used or commingled wi