Re: [cryptography] really sub-CAs for MitM deep packet inspectors? (Re: Auditable CAs)

2011-12-06 Thread Benjamin Kreuter
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:34:37 +0100 Adam Back wrote: > Kids figure this stuff out getting through site restrictions on > school wifi also. Some schools try to block popular web games.. eg > runescape. Let us not discourage either the children or the schools! This sounds like an excellent way for

Re: [cryptography] really sub-CAs for MitM deep packet inspectors? (Re: Auditable CAs)

2011-12-06 Thread Peter Gutmann
writes: > > This is already standard practice for malware-laden sites, to > > the extent that it's severely affecting things like Google Safe > > Browsing and Facebook's link scanner, because Google and Facebook > > always get to see benign content and only the end user gets the > > malware. > >Th

Re: [cryptography] really sub-CAs for MitM deep packet inspectors? (Re: Auditable CAs)

2011-12-06 Thread dan
> This is already standard practice for malware-laden sites, to > the extent that it's severely affecting things like Google Safe > Browsing and Facebook's link scanner, because Google and Facebook > always get to see benign content and only the end user gets the > malware. This is the singl

[cryptography] DTLS implementation attack?

2011-12-06 Thread Marsh Ray
Anyone have any more info on this? Even just a CVE or 'fixed in' version would be helpful. http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/ndss/12/program.shtml#1a Plaintext-Recovery Attacks Against Datagram TLS Kenneth Paterson and Nadhem Alfardan We describe an efficient and full plaintext recovery at

Re: [cryptography] really sub-CAs for MitM deep packet inspectors? (Re: Auditable CAs)

2011-12-06 Thread Jon Callas
On 6 Dec, 2011, at 3:43 AM, ianG wrote: > The promise of PKI in secure browsing is that it addresses the MITM. That's > it, in a nutshell. If that promise is not true, then we might as well use > something else. Is it? I thought that the purpose of a certificate was to authenticate the serv

Re: [cryptography] really sub-CAs for MitM deep packet inspectors? (Re: Auditable CAs)

2011-12-06 Thread Adam Back
Yes, Peter said the same, BUT do you think they have a valid cert chain? Or is it signed by a self-signed company internal CA, and the company internal CA added to the corporate install that you mentioned... Thats the cut off of acceptability for me - full public valid cert chain on other people

Re: [cryptography] really sub-CAs for MitM deep packet inspectors? (Re: Auditable CAs)

2011-12-06 Thread ianG
On 6/12/11 21:52 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: * Adam Back: Are there really any CAs which issue sub-CA for "deep packet inspection" aka doing MitM and issue certs on the fly for everything going through them: gmail, hotmail, online banking etc. Such CAs do exist, but to my knowledge, they are ent

Re: [cryptography] really sub-CAs for MitM deep packet inspectors? (Re: Auditable CAs)

2011-12-06 Thread Adam Back
Someone should re-test that Three 3g data + bluecoat content-filtering -as-a-service with SSL and give us the cert if the answer is "interesting" :) Most of the parental control and site blocking things are trivially breakable. For example my router can block domains .. but its mechanism is idi

Re: [cryptography] really sub-CAs for MitM deep packet inspectors? (Re: Auditable CAs)

2011-12-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Adam Back: > Are there really any CAs which issue sub-CA for "deep packet inspection" aka > doing MitM and issue certs on the fly for everything going through them: > gmail, hotmail, online banking etc. Such CAs do exist, but to my knowledge, they are enterprise-internal CAs which are installed

Re: [cryptography] Auditable CAs

2011-12-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ben Laurie: > Given the recent discussion on Sovereign Keys I thought people might > be interested in a related, but less ambitious, idea Adam Langley and > I have been kicking around: > http://www.links.org/files/CertificateAuthorityTransparencyandAuditability.pdf. Why wouldn't the problem we

Re: [cryptography] really sub-CAs for MitM deep packet inspectors? (Re: Auditable CAs)

2011-12-06 Thread Peter Gutmann
Earlier in the discussion there were questions about why a service provider would want to MITM their customers. This has now been answered by a service provider: It's to protect the children. From http://patrick.seurre.com/?p=42 Three's policy with regards to filtering is intended to ensur