Re: [cryptography] Here's What Law Enforcement Can Recover From A Seized iPhone

2013-03-29 Thread ianG
On 29/03/13 08:27 AM, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: ... The scare story spread quickly, with the more hyperbolic accounts getting the most attention. The corrective analysis probably didn't penetrate as widely. The issue that I see is that because Apple runs a secret shop, they are more vulnerable

Re: [cryptography] Here's What Law Enforcement Can Recover From A Seized iPhone

2013-03-29 Thread ianG
On 29/03/13 06:42 AM, Jon Callas wrote: ... I don't believe that it is in the interests of a company to shaft its customers. ... Right, this is why I like Apple. This is the same secret as in the gambling industry. The house always wins -- so why bother cheating? Better to actually go th

Re: [cryptography] Here's What Law Enforcement Can Recover From A Seized iPhone

2013-03-29 Thread ianG
On 29/03/13 06:42 AM, Jon Callas wrote: - From being there, Apple's culture and practices are such that everything they do is focused on making cool things for the customers. In a world of secrecy, media, spin, security complexity and so forth, personal testimony from the inside as to bona

Re: [cryptography] Here's What Law Enforcement Can Recover From A Seized iPhone

2013-03-29 Thread dan
Jon Callas writes, in part: -+- | Let me ask again -- what could an LE or GOV offer that would be | better than being cool? Being a snitch, being a sell-out isn't cool. | Lots of people don 't get that. To them, money is more important | than being cool. And all that m

Re: [cryptography] Here's What Law Enforcement Can Recover From A Seized iPhone

2013-03-29 Thread Adam Back
I dont buy this "it wouldnt be cool so a consumer company wouldnt do it" argument. Seemingly companies are very susceptible to law enforcement, legal and government influence and pressure. I guess people are forgetting the hushmail episode. And the CA episodes. And much more recent microsoft s

Re: [cryptography] Here's What Law Enforcement Can Recover From A Seized iPhone

2013-03-29 Thread dan
Well put, Ian. Cutting down the quoted material to the barest minimum, this passage: > Take it on the chin, and get back to work. Don't overreact by promising > ludicrous things like "it'll never happen again" or lopping off heads > just to satiate the media. can, at least, be demonstrate

Re: [cryptography] Here's What Law Enforcement Can Recover From A Seized iPhone

2013-03-29 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Adam Back wrote: > ... > > btw as to coolness, I think Apple is much more evil thank microsoft - walled > gardens, suing competitors over frivolous and abusive patent claims, > excessive secrecy, clear conflict of interest app removals, abuse of DRM for > device lo

Re: [cryptography] Here's What Law Enforcement Can Recover From A Seized iPhone

2013-03-29 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Jon Callas wrote: > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > >> ... >> Apple designed the hardware and hold the platform keys. So I'm clear >> and I'm not letting my imagination run too far ahead: >> >> ... >> There are no means to recover a secret