Re: [cryptography] The Compromised Internet

2013-09-27 Thread grarpamp
On 9/27/13, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 01:12:19PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: >> >> The mentioned tech has nothing to do with traditional 'ham'. >> And without the crypto key they can't see it and can't disrupt > > HamNet/AMPRNet ... > Of course they can see it, it's a TCP/IP network

Re: [cryptography] Chaos theory

2013-09-27 Thread jameschoate
Age has nothing to do with it, the math doesn't change. As or AKNOS, their is actually a lot of controversy over that book and the claims Wolfram makes. Kyle Maxwell wrote: > Fairly old, but "Chaos" by James Gleick was a huge influence on me as > a young man and has some responsibility for

Re: [cryptography] The Compromised Internet

2013-09-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 01:12:19PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > On 9/27/13, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > I don't see how a ham running a repeater backbone can > > prevent end to end encryption other than sniffing for > > traffic and actively disrupting it. I'm not sure tampering > > with transport is within

Re: [cryptography] Chaos theory

2013-09-27 Thread Kyle Maxwell
Fairly old, but "Chaos" by James Gleick was a huge influence on me as a young man and has some responsibility for the academic path I chose later. @kylemaxwell On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, wrote: > Wolfram's book is about CAs and not chaos/fractals in general. > > For an initial intro you

Re: [cryptography] The Compromised Internet

2013-09-27 Thread grarpamp
On 9/27/13, Eugen Leitl wrote: > I don't see how a ham running a repeater backbone can > prevent end to end encryption other than sniffing for > traffic and actively disrupting it. I'm not sure tampering > with transport is within ham ethics, though they definitely > don't understand the actual us

[cryptography] What the heck is going on with NIST’s cryptographic standard, SHA-3?

2013-09-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
https://www.cdt.org/blogs/joseph-lorenzo-hall/2409-nist-sha-3 What the heck is going on with NIST’s cryptographic standard, SHA-3? by Joseph Lorenzo Hall [1] September 24, 2013 (Warning: this is a fairly technical post about cryptographic standards setting.) The cryptographic community has be

Re: [cryptography] The Compromised Internet

2013-09-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 08:12:16PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > The US only applies to itself. Further, over the air, it's noise, the crypto > is undetectable and unprovable. And it's (guerilla) software, not physical > commercial product. Nor is this the old 'FCC says you can't encrypt > ham bands' a

Re: [cryptography] Opinions on Internet Privacy

2013-09-27 Thread Peter Gutmann
Paul Bakker writes: >So you agree we DO need an additional layer of symmetric and public key >encryption, don't you? Six layers might not be enough!! Oh everyone knows that, if it doesn't have the full seven layers then you're not even trying. Peter. ___