Re: [cryptography] Snowden Induced Mea Culpas

2013-08-26 Thread John Young
Some time ago opinion was that only versions of PGP beginning with 2 were trustworthy, that is before the add-on junk for user convenience which opened holes galore, then much more vuls as it went to global market and use by governments. Is that still the case? We have archived versions since 2.6

Re: [cryptography] Snowden Induced Mea Culpas

2013-08-26 Thread grarpamp
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote: > Assume all mayor cryptotools are exploited. Sad but true. > .. > False security is a danger unlike many others. None of us should forget > that. NSA says use aes256 for top secret. AES goes worldwide. Would be pretty funny if in

Re: [cryptography] Snowden Induced Mea Culpas

2013-08-25 Thread Kyle Maxwell
I find it likely that the Google engineer quoted had things like the NSA taps on routers and in telecom facilities in mind, rather than whether users of various services can expect that their providers will hand over to the government. In other words, encrypting data in motion rather than at rest.

Re: [cryptography] Snowden Induced Mea Culpas

2013-08-25 Thread Lodewijk andré de la porte
Assume all mayor cryptotools are exploited. Sad but true. Any other reason people complain OpenSSL is written in tongues (so to speak)? Hiding exploits is easier in a mess. That said the people in the IETS might be ignorant to the fact that TLS is likely backdoor'ed. The thing with this problem is

Re: [cryptography] Snowden Induced Mea Culpas

2013-08-25 Thread ianG
It's Sunday, it's time for some amusement. I agree with everything John writes, and although I prefer an alternate style, it may be time for straight talking. On 24/08/13 00:33 AM, John Young wrote: Comsec experts should not be surprised at the Snowden revelations about NSA so far, most of

[cryptography] Snowden Induced Mea Culpas

2013-08-23 Thread John Young
Comsec experts should not be surprised at the Snowden revelations about NSA so far, most of which are venerable. What is surprising is their seemingly exaggerated surprise because many of them worked at or ran firms which were known to be heavily involved with official spying through dual-use tec