Re: New Protection for 802.11

2002-11-07 Thread Nelson Minar
>Reading the Wifi report, it seems their customers stampeded them and >demanded that the security hole be fixed, fixed a damned lot sooner >than they intended to fix it. Which is sort of a shame, in a way. 802.11b has no pretense of media layer security. I've been thinking of that as an opportunit

RE: New Protection for 802.11

2002-11-07 Thread Trei, Peter
> James A. Donald[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > > Reading the Wifi report, > http://www.weca.net/OpenSection/pdf/Wi- > Fi_Protected_Access_Overview.pdf > it seems their customers stampeded them and demanded that the > security hole be fixed, fixed a damned lot sooner than they > intended to

Re: New Protection for 802.11

2002-11-07 Thread thomas lakofski
David Wagner said: > It's not clear to me if WPA products come with encryption turned on by > default. This is probably the #1 biggest source of vulnerabilities in > practice, far bigger than the weaknesses of WEP. Maybe this is the case in the USA but from my own informal surveys in Helsinki and

Re: New Protection for 802.11

2002-11-07 Thread James A. Donald
-- Reading the Wifi report, http://www.weca.net/OpenSection/pdf/Wi- Fi_Protected_Access_Overview.pdf it seems their customers stampeded them and demanded that the security hole be fixed, fixed a damned lot sooner than they intended to fix it. I am struck the contrast between the seemingly str

Re: New Protection for 802.11

2002-11-07 Thread Donald Eastlake 3rd
Well, you see some of the people working on improving 802.11 security, in particular some members of 802.11 Task Group i noted that IEEE procedures have no interoperability demonstration requirements. So they formed a little group that took a subset of the then current 802.11i draft and tried to im

Re: New Protection for 802.11

2002-11-06 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
See the following two Intel links with detailed discussions of TKIP and Michael which i found via Google: Increasing Wireless Security with TKIP Forwarded from: "eric wolbrom, CISSP", sa ISN-a... http://www.secadministrator.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=27064 Mark Joseph Edwards October 23,

Re: New Protection for 802.11

2002-11-06 Thread David Wagner
Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Does anyone know details of the new proposed protocols? WPA seems to be TKIP (a short-term improvement to WEP) + 802.1x (user authentication, typically hooked into RADIUS?). The background is that the IEEE 802.11i working group is developing two fixes to WEP: TKIP, the sh

Re: New Protection for 802.11

2002-11-06 Thread William Arbaugh
It uses: -IEEE 802.1x for access control and authentication -RC4 but with a new key mixing/generation method called TKIP that provides for per packet keys and eliminates the Fluhrer et. al. attack. Russ Housely, Doug Whitting, and Nils Ferguson designed TKIP. -Michael is the MAC/MIC that p

Re: New Protection for 802.11

2002-11-06 Thread David Honig
At 03:32 PM 11/6/02 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Does anyone know details of the new proposed protocols? Small article at: http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20021031S0007 Somewhere I read a larger article; things that stuck in memory are: No AES, a cipher called "Michael" being used; also, th