Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-16 Thread David Hucklesby
On 3/16/11 11:03 AM, Al Sparber wrote: On 3/16/2011 1:53 PM, Barney Carroll wrote: If you hit F12, IE9& 8 will bring up their DOM inspectors: to the right of the topmost menu is a Browser Mode button. You can switch this to IE7, IE8, and compatibility modes and get perfect emulation without hav

Re: [css-d] One min-width works but the other does not

2011-03-16 Thread David Laakso
Fast and dirty "quick-start." Folds to a 640 window. IE/6.0 does not support min/max-- gets 980px fixed width. Goofy color 4 position only. Best, Studs Terkel Chicago I got a 404 error at that link. -Keith The convenience store is open for busi

Re: [css-d] One min-width works but the other does not

2011-03-16 Thread Keith Purtell
On 3/14/2011 9:01 AM, css-d-requ...@lists.css-discuss.org wrote: > From: David Laakso > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] One min-width works but the other does not > > On 3/13/11 4:59 PM, Keith Purtell wrote: >> > At one point, this was working properly via advice I got fr

Re: [css-d] Border not appearing on images in Internet Explorer

2011-03-16 Thread David Laakso
On 3/16/11 2:29 PM, Dan Kaufman wrote: I am having a problem with borders NOT appearing around an image in Internet Explorer. Unfortunately this was pointed out to me by my client :-(. He only uses IE 8-Windows. http://studiokaufman.com/site/markhoustonassociates_com/F1/F1-1.html Dan Ka

Re: [css-d] Border not appearing on images in Internet Explorer

2011-03-16 Thread Dan Kaufman
Genius !! Thank you Mark ! Sometimes the obvious is the most un-obvious. Much appreciated, Dan _ From: Mark Richards [mailto:m...@date.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:46 AM To: Dan Kaufman Subject: Re: [css-d] Border not appearing on images in Internet Explo

[css-d] Border not appearing on images in Internet Explorer

2011-03-16 Thread Dan Kaufman
I am having a problem with borders NOT appearing around an image in Internet Explorer. Unfortunately this was pointed out to me by my client :-(. He only uses IE 8-Windows. The site pages render correctly in: Firefox, Windows and Mac Google Chrome, Windows and Mac Safari, Windows and Ma

Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-16 Thread Al Sparber
On 3/16/2011 1:53 PM, Barney Carroll wrote: If you hit F12, IE9& 8 will bring up their DOM inspectors: to the right of the topmost menu is a Browser Mode button. You can switch this to IE7, IE8, and compatibility modes and get perfect emulation without having to modify the markup. Absolutely.

Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-16 Thread Barney Carroll
On 16 March 2011 17:49, Al Sparber wrote: > But you do have to account for people who are actually using IE7 :-) So you > can use the meta tag set to IE=7 for testing purposes so you can discover > the problem's solution. If you hit F12, IE9 & 8 will bring up their DOM inspectors: to the right of

Re: [css-d] Why is my menu floating down in IE7?

2011-03-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Hiya Brett, div#menu has a width of 100% of its container, which (IE<8 thinks) means it has to clear the div#header-logo (even though it's floated, which correctly removes it from the flow in other browsers), which otherwise appear next to it. Remove the width declaration at line 196 of style.css

Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-16 Thread Al Sparber
On 3/15/2011 11:09 PM, Kathy Wheeler wrote: On 03/16/2011, at 11:53 AM, Al Sparber wrote: It works for IE8, too. What happened with your client is that he probably was using IE7. You are using IE8 and could not duplicate the problem until you went into Compatibility View, which essentially me

[css-d] Why is my menu floating down in IE7?

2011-03-16 Thread Brett Goodrich
Check out campindy.org/?page=10 in Firefox and IE7 (or lower). In FF it works perfectly, but in IE7 the menu is floated down below the paint image on the left side of the header. You can check the CSS from the site, if you don't know how to do that you probably can't help anyways :p Thanks in adva

Re: [css-d] s now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3C

2011-03-16 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Bobby Jack wrote: It's just a shame that some of the big players ( google, facebook) are so resolute in their old, bad habits, that the W3C now feels under pressure to legitimise those habits. Well, well, there's a surprise : Google use tables for layout, and the editor of the HTML 5 specif

Re: [css-d] s now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3C

2011-03-16 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 3/16/11, Barney Carroll wrote: > I don't know how many of you follow the W3C specification > working groups discussions. I don't, but I've been alerted to some > pretty radical activity thereon just under a week ago. The > relevant message is here: > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Pu

Re: [css-d] s now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3C

2011-03-16 Thread tedd
At 4:32 PM + 3/16/11, Tim Dawson wrote: On 16/03/2011 14:50, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Barney Carroll wrote: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0245.html The message exhaustively details the pertinent points in a long and laborious debate, culmina

Re: [css-d] s now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3C

2011-03-16 Thread Kevin A. Cameron
I think in the low-end mobile space this makes sense. Those devices for the most part don't support a lot of the CSS layout methods that are used in the high-end mobile and desktop environments. Though it's not like those devices would recognize role="presentation" either... Interesting info, than

Re: [css-d] s now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3C

2011-03-16 Thread Tim Dawson
On 16/03/2011 14:50, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Barney Carroll wrote: ... I don't know how many of you follow the W3C specification working groups discussions. I don't, but I've been alerted to some pretty radical activity thereon just under a week ago. The relevant messag

Re: [css-d] s now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3C

2011-03-16 Thread tedd
At 10:50 AM -0400 3/16/11, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Barney Carroll wrote: ... I don't know how many of you follow the W3C specification working groups discussions. I don't, but I've been alerted to some pretty radical activity thereon just under a week ago. The relevant me

Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-16 Thread Claude Needham
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Barney Carroll wrote: > Al's X-UA-Compatible advice is sound. However *if* you are unable to > vouch for IE9's presentation and don't want to take it for granted > before presenting to the client (and the outside world), but know that > the page works fine in IE8,

Re: [css-d] Vertically-centered inline content (of unknown height) in IE lte 7

2011-03-16 Thread Barney Carroll
On 16 March 2011 15:22, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >  Placement is not the issue. Whose test case is this anyway? ;) > The text (wherever it is placed) doesn't >  fit into the boxes and is being cut off. Yes, I noticed that. However that's not really pertinent to the question — this page isn't i

Re: [css-d] Vertically-centered inline content (of unknown height) in IE lte 7

2011-03-16 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Barney Carroll wrote: Thanks for the check-up, Chris… On 16 March 2011 14:41, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: I haven't looked at the problem you described because I immediately saw another problem. See . No, that's pretty much what I'm gettin

Re: [css-d] Vertically-centered inline content (of unknown height) in IE lte 7

2011-03-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Thanks for the check-up, Chris… On 16 March 2011 14:41, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > I haven't looked at the problem you described because I immediately > saw another problem. See . No, that's pretty much what I'm getting. Your custom style sheets are playing with

Re: [css-d] s now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3C

2011-03-16 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Barney Carroll wrote: ... I don't know how many of you follow the W3C specification working groups discussions. I don't, but I've been alerted to some pretty radical activity thereon just under a week ago. The relevant message is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/pu

Re: [css-d] Vertically-centered inline content (of unknown height) in IE lte 7

2011-03-16 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Barney Carroll wrote: (code in situ at a test case here: barneycarroll.com/centerY.html — method a) I haven't looked at the problem you described because I immediately saw another problem. See . -- Chris F.A. Johnson,

[css-d] s now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3C

2011-03-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Hello CSSers, Disclaimer: this isn't a specific technical bug fix request — I'm asking for opinions about best practice based on some recent news which could pretty easily slip into philosophy or politics — so Eric if you think this is inappropriate subject matter or too likely to descend into fl

Re: [css-d] IE9 Question from XP user.

2011-03-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Claude, Al's X-UA-Compatible advice is sound. However *if* you are unable to vouch for IE9's presentation and don't want to take it for granted before presenting to the client (and the outside world), but know that the page works fine in IE8, you can use the same meta tag with a different value t

[css-d] Vertically-centered inline content (of unknown height) in IE lte 7

2011-03-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Hi everyone, I remember unceremoniously giving up on this problem using static styles (and resorting to Javascript) the last time I encountered it, probably about a year ago: I have a list of block elements of fixed height with variable-length textual content (100% inline). The method that works