Several things: First, thanks to Roger Keays, David Hucklesby, David Laakso, and several others who sent pointers and links with suggestions on my earlier question on pure-CSS drop-down menus. I learned a lot from the tips and the lively discussion that followed. :-) I've worked through all of the suggestions except the TJK one, and have settled on the sunburnt.com implementation. I had various problems getting the others to work, though I'm sure the problems were from my total inexperience and ignorance rather than anything wrong with the templates. I've combined the drop-down menu with a CSS frames simulation from Dynamic Drives, and after many hours of trial and error, most everything has come together nicely. But not everything. The site is at: <http://PortlandTango.com> The CSS file for the index page is at: <http://PortlandTango.com/index.css> , and CSS file for all the other pages is at: <http://PortlandTango.com/pages.css> . First problem is that, in all the inner pages (ie everything except the index page) I have a sidebar menu in frameLeft, but I couldn't get the fly-out or whatever you call the sub-menu from the last li to display on top of the maincontent frame (tried z-index and various re-ordering of the code), so I had to do a very clumsy fix of making the frameLeft wide enough to invisibly overlap the maincontent instead of them butting against each other. But now if there are links in the text in the maincontent, the mouse doesn't recognize them as links, being hidden by the over-wide frameLeft. Second problem: I am verifying this in FF-2, IE-7, NN-9 and Opera-9, and I'm guessing this is a dumb question due to my being a newbie, but I want to add alt text to an img, (eg. <img src="[location.jpg]" alt="caption text" />) but it won't show up on hover in anything except IE. Is there some conflict with the alt when I'm also defining a:hover behavior? And the most serious problem, though only recently discovered, is (at least) with Safari 2.0.4 on a Mac and 3b on PC. On the page at <http://PortlandTango.com/venues.html> (click on "milongas") the content menu links that should go to <a href="#whatever… don't work, even though the link back to #top does work. Also, code won't completely validate in W3.org, saying there's some problem with the attach event onmouseover stuff that makes the drop-downs work. Seems to be saying I've got the wrong doctype, but I'm using XHTML 1.0 Transitional. Apologies and ignore this if it's too far outside css-d scope. Finally, are there any tricks to using the CSS-d archives? I've tried to search for these and some other things, but only get thousands of irrelevant hits. I usually learn something from reading through the threads, but so far I've yet to find answers to the specific problems I'm having. Thanks for all your help and for such an incredible forum. Jay Rabe _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/