-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-27 16:48:33 EDT, you write: << avin Phillips wrote: snip> > >> According to the future that you seem to relish Nurev is a total gun ban > > > >Yes that's right. And voluntary compliance from law abiding citizens. > >It > >doesn't need to be permanent either. But I want to see what happens > >when > >guns are out of the equation. And it looks like we'll soon find out. > > > Gavin; > > How soon do you think? Depends on the economy. > >> social upheaval and body count that that will entail. Things will be far > more > >> peacful then, right Nurev? > > > >No not then, after then. > > > > Gavin; > > After the carnage, and a country more divided than it has ever been. Oh, now > I get it. There I go with my predictions again. I just wonder how many others > on the list agree with my predictions as opposed to yours; of a kinder, > gentler America, disarmed. America has never been kind or gentle. It has been a murderous offshoot ( pun intended ) of the most violent culture in all the world in all of history > Gavin; > > There you go bringing your Darwinian religion into it again. Isn't it great > to have the crutch and faith of Darwinian evolution to give you all the > answers. Makes things far less complicated. Please, stop making a fool of yourself. I am an atheist. What you are describing is religion. Gavin; As I have pointed out, belief in Darwinian evolution requires faith also. There is no proof for macroevolution. > >> Gavin; snip> > I take it you would live as a slave, and wait for better men than you to free > you. You think you're the smart one, the survivor, right? Listen buddy. You really need to understand this. In nature, the organism that survives intact enough to reproduce is the winner. If you are stupid enough to piss your life away for stupid ideologies, you lose. That is why the slogan " live free or die " is insane. It is unnatural and wasteful of human potential. But if live free or die causes you to die because you can't live free, then you can understand the process of natural selection. Gavin; As I said earlier, natural selection is a tautology which has never been proven. It has no informative value whatsoever. There are 40 million Blacks in America. Their ancestors were slaves for hundreds of years. They endured and endured the brutality of slavery. Real slavery, not your feverish apocalyptic paranoiac nonsense. They are here today enjoying life because their ancestors did what they needed to do to survive. If their ancestors had been as dumb as you are, and dumb as the religio/patriot types I see quoted on this list, we would never have the pleasure of watching Bill Cosby sell sugared up junk food to little children. Gavin; Your definition of dumb is to fight for freedom and maybe die because of it rather than live as a slave and endure the degradations, humiliations, beatings, rapes and whatever else your owner decides to impose on you until for some reason or other you get your freedom, however long that takes, if you ever get it at all. Sounds very "smart" to me. What about other people who do not agree with your cowering nature and overthrow the people subjugating them and in the process also free you. Do you thank them for risking their lives to free themselves and others or do you stay true to your philosophy and tell them what idiots they are for risking their lives and not waiting it out? What about prisoners of war trying to escape from prison and getting killed, I suppose they are also dumb. The "smart" thing to do is wait it out and piss your life away hopeing for one of the miracles you've stated above or when somebody else might risk their life to rescue or free you. > >> Slaves only gain their freedom by fighting for it or because others > fought > >> for it. How about buying your way out? How about if the slave owners can't afford to keep slaves? How about if the slave owner suddenly becomes a mentch and frees his slaves because it's wrong to own human beings? Do you ever stop exaggerating? Gavin; Buy your way out, what with? Who says they are going to pay you? Feeding slaves is really costly when you can get them to work there ass off for you for just food and water. People who own slaves in the first place are usually not known for their philanthropy. What you are advocating is cowardice and dressing it up as some kind of smart evolutionary philosophy which is totally bogus. Being a human being means more than just surviving to leave some offspring you moron. It means to try and make a better world for tomorrow than we have today. It means to further our understanding of our world free of dogma and bigotry. It is having the courage to stand up for what you believe in. There are risks large and small associated with everything we do. Life without any risk at all is a useless and unfullfillled life. According to your philosophy survival takes precedence over everything else. If you stumble across a woman being raped you should run away and call the police. If you see someone getting attacked you should also run away. If someone is being oppressed it is better to keep quiet in case the oppressors come after you, right Nurev? Would you have risked your skin helping the Jews in Nazi Germany or would you have ignored it? The people who tried to help the Jews and were executed because of what they did, are they the fools who deserved to be culled because they were stupid enough to lose their lives over a principle, that principle being that no human being should be terrorised or gassed because a meglomaniac says so. It is because of people like you Nurev and philosophy's similar to yours that millions of Jews, homosexuels, gypsies were tortured, worked to death and murdered. If millions had risen up against it instead of ignoring it, profiting by it, justifying it or frightened by it, it would never have happened. You should change your cliche from "natural selection" to "survival of the gutless," because that is what your parasitic philosophy amounts to. Gavin >> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! 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