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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:49:19 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [PSYCHOROBOTICS] The Scat Man Cometh
When NLP (natural language programming) goes public and robots can
dialogue on email lists, should there be a code of good-speak, bad-speak
and no-speak to regulate the programs?
POC
(Learned Elder of Zion)
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:06:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: David Ingram at the CEN-TA Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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PALMER Vaughn reporter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [INGRAM] Darren Atwater and Brian Salmi Fiasco - Vaughan
Palmer article...or, The Scat Man Cometh
Perhaps I could write an article for Terminal City on scatalogical
language, ie, "Let us say what we are not supposed to say". I note that
the "f word" is used frequently in television series and movies these
days. Every culture has its code of "totem and taboo" (those being the
words used in one of Freud's classics). What is the code of totem and
taboo in BC? I have done many experiments online from ridiculous to
sublime, concerning the use of this new medium. I even had a list
called [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a while. I forget what the
acronymn stood for. It was named in derision of a third rate phil list
called [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does scat add anything to a discussion?
After much research and development (done without a Canada Council grant)
I have concluded that it does, at times. It takes the discourse beyond
discourse, into what is sometimes called "the ineffable". If a Black calls
a White a "honky mo fo", that is on one level a meaningless statement. On
another level it is a way of expressing something which is beyond words,
an oxymoron unless you allow your imagination to play on the scat.
And that is what scat does...it stimulates an imaginative charge.
That imaginative charge causes a "breaking of mental set" and a freeing up
of creativity if it is followed through to the next stage.
There are vulgarities today hidden behind the fascade of cultural
niceties. One vulgarity is that of USA marshalling the forces of the world
to attack a country in the Middle East (Iraq) which has less population
than Canada, only half of whom can read and write and a million of whom
have died from a holocaust over the past decade. A particular vulgarity
within that and hidden behind candy-coated nicey-nicey fascades is the
vulgarity of USA Christianity. Christianity Today is simply a Cult of
Liars and I don't care if it calls itself left wing, right wing or no
wing. Scat in the Bible? Find those Red Letter words, "dogs", "pigs" and
"snakes". Then the ineffable, Red Letters again: "not fit for the dung
hill", spoken in the plain language of the day so let's translate it as
what it says, "NOT WORTH SHIT". And that in my humble opinion, sums up
Christianity Today, especially USA Christianity Today and especially Bush,
Ashcroft and their Bible-thumping, lying and evil-doing ilk:
NOT WORTH SHIT.
Is that a story I can get into "Terminal City"?
FWP
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, David Ingram at the CEN-TA Group wrote:
> I could not help passing this along
>
> Tom Carney was the president of the Victoria Press Gallery back in 1969.
>
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> From: tcarney
> To: David Ingram at the CEN-TA Group
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Darren Atwater and Brian Salmi Fiasco - Vaughan Palmer article
>
>
> David:
>
> Thanks for passing this along. Vaughan has (as is his wont) a worthy comment on
>this. "Deviant sexual behavior?" in the Speaker's Chair? Golly, who would have
>thought--usually MLAs and MPs are too busy screwing the taxpayers!
>
> tomc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Ingram at the CEN-TA Group
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Cc: Claude Richmond
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 9:39 AM
> Subject: Darren Atwater and Brian Salmi Fiasco - Vaughan Palmer article
>
>
>
> In case you have missed it, Here is Vaughan Palmer's column courtesy of the
>Vancouver Sun. As Don Fiorvento Reporter for the North Shore Outlook and political
>host on Shaw Television said,
>
> "This Terminal City is sure getting a lot of mileage out of this. They couldn't
>have gotten better exposure if they had hired one of the big downtown advertising
>firms".
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 'Deviant sexual nature'? Aw, c'mon, Mr. Speaker
>
> Vaughn Palmer
> Vancouver Sun
>
>
> Saturday, November 30, 2002
>
>
>
> VICTORIA - The speakers of the legislature, when they speak at all, tend to
>do so in sombre tones on the minutiae of parliamentary practice, none of which is the
>stuff of lively news coverage.
>
> Still, when Speaker Claude Richmond put out a rare press release this week,
>it was clear from the opening paragraph that this pronouncement might generate a
>headline or two.
>
> "I wish to comment briefly on the events which took place in my office
>Monday," it began, then went on to provide a first-hand account of a confrontation
>involving himself, his staff, a newspaper editor and journalist Brian Salmi, "also
>known variously as Godzilla and Satan."
>
> Godzilla? Satan? Straightaway, you knew that, once again, the B.C.
>legislature was breaking new ground.
>
> The meeting originated with a request from the editor of the Terminal City
>Weekly, a Vancouver newspaper, that Mr. Salmi be issued press credentials to cover
>the legislature.
>
> But as Speaker Richmond recounted it, the meeting quickly bogged down over
>two issues.
>
> Mr. Salmi, who does indeed use the monikers "Godzilla" and "Satan," refused
>to respect the minimum requirements (jacket, tie, no blue jeans) of the legislative
>dress code.
>
> Plus the Speaker was concerned because some years earlier Mr. Salmi had
>written a column that described an act of "a deviant sexual nature regarding officers
>of the legislature."
>
> Deviant sexual nature? I'm thinking it may be the first time that
>combination words has appeared in a press release from a Speaker anywhere in the
>British Commonwealth.
>
> Perhaps it might prompt a revision to the next edition of Sir Erskine May's
>venerable guide to parliamentary procedure: "Deviant sexual natures. See rulings of
>the Speaker of the Legislature of British Columbia."
>
> The Speaker asked Mr. Salmi, and his editor, if in providing any future
>coverage, "were they prepared to show some respect for the institution of parliament?"
>
> The answer was "in the negative" and at that point talks broke down. But Mr.
>Salmi and his editor refused to leave the Speaker's office, whereupon security staff
>were summoned, the two were handcuffed, arrested and escorted from the building.
>
> The editor was later released, but Mr. Salmi did not fare as well. He was
>charged and jailed overnight, though charges were dropped the next day.
>
> "To suggest the above events amount to an attack on the freedom of the
>press," wrote Mr. Richmond, "is, in my view, to distort what happened."
>
> He says the offending article was "outrageous and derogatory." The dress
>code is intended to preserve parliamentary "decorum." The arrest had nothing to do
>with either concern-- it was a response to a "sit-in."
>
> I'll take those points in reverse order.
>
> The arrest was a gross over-reaction. As one Liberal cabinet minister
>remarked: "Someone is sitting in your office? Go to lunch and see if they're still
>there when you get back."
>
> If that doesn't work, have them escorted out. Jail should be the last
>resort, not the first.
>
> The dress code is a pettifogging relic of another era and its rigorous
>enforcement mainly serves to demonstrate that the Speaker's vast security staff have
>not nearly enough important things to do with their time.
>
> No one should be denied access to parliament because of a niggling rule
>against blue jeans. But it happens regularly, when unsuspecting out-of-town
>journalists show up in Victoria.
>
> As for the article that generated all of the furore, Mr. Richmond has not
>seen a copy. He relied on the description provided by his staff, none of whom were
>able to supply the evidence for his perusal.
>
> I have a copy in my files and can tell you a bit about it.
>
> Mr. Salmi writes in the over-the-top, gonzo style of Hunter S. Thompson,
>where readers have to distinguish passages of fact from likely exaggerations and
>undoubted fictions.
>
> The offending article was published in 1994. The bulk of it refers to a
>member of the press gallery, since departed.
>
> The reference that provoked Speaker Richmond occupied a single sentence of
>perhaps 40 words and may well be defamatory -- though that is a matter for a court of
>law, not a newspaper column or the office of the Speaker.
>
> But to deny access to the legislature on the basis of a single sentence in
>an eight-year-old article that almost no one has ever seen? Wacko, even by B.C.
>standards.
>
> The Speaker says "show some respect for the institution of parliament." It
>is Mr. Richmond and his staff, with their nitwit overreaction, who have brought the
>institution into disrepute.
>
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