-Caveat Lector- In reply: Why bring up the words of those long dead? History repeats it's self and since they were some of the ones that this history of this country was built on. I for one do not like to reinvent the wheel. Up date the language and you can sell the old as new. Money Changers become Money Launders. Laura -----Original Message----- From: M. A. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Re [CTRL] A cliché was Re: Time to End CEOs 5-Year NAFTA Party > -Caveat Lector- > >MJ wrote: > .50 Payments to Individuals > .15 National Defense > .15 Grants to States & Localities > .14 Net Interest > .05 Other Federal Operations > .01 Reserve Pending Social Security Reform > ____ > 1.00 Total > > Hmmm ... 14% is bigger than 50%? New Math? > > >Linda Minor wrote: > "Individuals"? Does this mean government employees or what > exactly? >MJ: >ALL individuals to who the government redistributes tax-payer's >earnings ... > >Black Lung Disability and Survivor's Benefits, Black Lung Survivor's >Benefits, Disability Insurance, Federal Employee's Compensation, >Federal-State Unemployment Insurance, Railroad Unemployment Insurance, >Trade Readjustment Allowances, Basic Educational Opportunity Grants, >College Work-Study, Follow Through, Head Start, Interest-Free >Guaranteed Loans, Medical Education Loans and Grants, National >Direct Student Loans, Nursing Education Loans, Special Services for >Low-Income Physically Handicapped Students in post Secondary Schools, >Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grants, Talent Search, Upward >Bound, Vocation Educational Work Study, Food Commodities, Food Stamps >School Lunches, School Milk, Special Supplemental Feeding (for pregnant >and lactating mothers), Special Supplemental Feeding (for Women, >Infants and Children), Comprehensive Health Services, Crippled >Children's Services, Dental Health of Children, Health Care of >Children and Youth, Intensive Infant Care Project, Maternity and >Infant Care Projects, Medicaid, Medicare, Appalachian Housing Program, >Farm Labor Housing, Home-Ownership for Tenants of Public Housing, >Home-Ownership Loans, Indian Housing Improvement Program, Interest >Subsidies for Rental Housing, Low-Income Housing Repair Loans, >Low-Rent Public Housing, Mortgage Insurance for Families Who Are >Special Credit Risks, Mortgage Insurance for Low-Income and >Moderate-Income Families, Mortgage Insurance for Low-Income and >Moderate-Income Families (Condominiums), Rent Supplements, Rural >Housing Loans, Rural Housing Site Loans, Rural Rental Housing Insured >Loans, Rural Self-Help Housing Technical Assistance, Career >Opportunities Program, Concentrated Employment Programs, Economic >Opportunity Loans, Foster Grandparents, Job Corporations, Job >Opportunities in the Business Sector, Manpower Development and >Training, Neighborhood Youth Corporations, Operation Mainstream >Public Service Careers, Senior Community Service Employment, Senior >Companions, Vocational Rehabilitation Services, Work Incentive >Projects, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), Assistance >to Cuban Refugees, Emergency Assistance, General Assistance to Indians, >Legal Services for the Poor, Meals for the Elderly, Services to Needy >Aged, Blind or disabled, Services to Needy families on Welfare, >Supplement Security Income. > >To name a few. > > > > >Linda Minor wrote: > And you're saying there's only .01 difference between national > defense and net interest. Sounds like the financiers are > getting a big cut there, and since they own most of the military > industrial complex as well, that's a big chunk of the government. >MJ: >The numbers I posited were Mr. Clinton's. > > >Linda Minor wrote: > I keep wondering why they want to do away with the government. > It must have something to do with wanting the other 70% of the > pie. >MJ: >'They' who? >*I* want to remove ALL of this plunder and restore liberty by >restricting Government ONLY to its legitimate function of protecting >ALL individuals from FORCE and FRAUD ... rather than providing >legislated advantage. > > > >MJ: > The 'source' would then be the taxpayer -- so this mantra is > a bit silly. >Linda Minor wrote: > It's only silly to you because you distorted what I said. The > source of the money is the people who actually buy the bonds > that are actually sold. The ideal situation would be if the > taxpayer bought the bonds, and then we'd collectively own the > infrastructure. The actual situation is that, although > the money of small investors is used to pay for bonds, because > the savings are filtered into mutual funds, the investment > management company--not the investor--controls the fund. In > the case of default, the small investor is wiped out, but the > larger bondholder (with maybe 5% of the total fund) gets > control of the asset. Then it can be sold to another corporation > sponsored by the financiers and friends. You don't have to > believe me; do some corporate research. > >MJ: >The Government --Federal -- has > > > >MJ wrote: > Why the need to invoke emotive language rather than responding > specifically to the material? > >Linda Minor wrote: > I put the same question to you. >MJ: >My posits address the specific material -- and I seldom if ever >invoke Nazism or other such merely pointing at reality. > > >Linda Minor wrote: > And I don't have to insert flowery quotes from long dead > apologists for an empire called a "republic"--that existed > by virtue of looting and slavery. >MJ: >What exactly are we currently saddled? The SLAVERY of oppressive >50% taxation (PLUNDER) ... which is redistributed to those who >seek favor from their masters. > >Education beyond the indoctrination of mythology spoon-fed >by the Government ... never mind. > > >Linda Minor wrote: > What did Cato know about the 20th century or the United States? > What did he have to say about the corruption all around him > during his own lifetime? >MJ: >Cato was ONE of those who were read and quoted by the Founders >of this nation (those persons you identify above who had to deal >with that Law in which the British Government saddled them while >seeking to unite -- in freedom -- 13 fledgling nations). > > ... where corruption and public crimes are not carefully > opposed, and severely punished, neither liberty nor > security can possibly subsist. -- Cato's Letters (1721) > > > >Linda Minor wrote: > BTW, I've forgotten what kind of work you do, MJ, that's so > valuable to society. Aren't you the Ayn Rand follower? > No creativity, only quotes. > >MJ: >I am not a 'follower' of anyone and my occupation is of no relevance >as I have stated prior. As to your additional fallacy of logical >argument, I will refrain from defining. > >Regard$, >--MJ > >No man ought to be exempt from the ties of law; and the higher >any man is, the more ties he ought to be under. All power ought >to be balanced with equal restraints, else it will certainly >grow mischievous. He who knows no law but his own lust, seldom >observes any other. -- Cato's Letters > >DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >========== >CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic >screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters >and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright >frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects >spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. 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