-Caveat Lector- CKLN-FM Mind Control Series -- Part 23 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Brice Taylor Interview ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CKLN 88.1 FM Ryerson Polytechnical University Toronto, Ontario Mind Control Series Part I - below Part II Producer/Interviewer Wayne Morris: Good morning. You are tuned in again to The International Connection, and we are in Part 42 of the ongoing interview series on mind control. Today we are bringing you part one of an interview I conducted with Brice Taylor, a former Whitehouse-level mind control victim. She has been used as a sex slave for a number of U.S. presidents, foreign officials, and other power-brokers while under the influence of mind control. She has been subjected to horrific torture and abuse, beginning in her childhood, at the hands of her family, and has been programmed at various military bases in the U.S., and at NASA. She is the author of a fictionalized account of her life, "Starshine: One woman's valiant escape from mind control", and since breaking free and recovering, has been in touch with hundreds of mind control survivors across the U.S. Here now is that interview: Wayne Morris: I am speaking to Brice Taylor, a survivor of mind control. Welcome to the show, Brice. I wonder if you could start off by just giving a short description of who you are, and your background. Brice Taylor: Actually, "Brice Taylor" is a pseudonym that I chose to protect myself and my children when I first started writing my book and putting it out. I am a ritual abuse, government mind control survivor, and I have spent since 1985 working to heal from that and documenting what I was involved with at the highest levels within our government and internationally as the people's leaders are invested in bringing in the New World Order. Wayne Morris: Who was responsible initially for your programming and conditioning? Brice Taylor: Initially, up close, my father primarily was, at home on a daily basis, and my mother was also programmed to abuse and program me. My whole family was actually involved in my programming, including my grandparents on both sides, aunts, uncles and my brothers. As I grew older, by the time I was five, I was being taken to military bases in and out of California and officials there were programming me, and later, doctors at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute in California, and places where there were NASA installations - I was also programmed. Wayne Morris: Do you remember when it started - the conditioning? Brice Taylor: I had actually some very early memories of being traumatized as an infant, so it started when I was very, very young. Wayne Morris: What is your family's background, your father and grandfather in particular ... Brice Taylor: My background is intergenerational ritual satanic abuse, and I know that because my father flew me back to Iowa where my grandfather lived and they involved me in satanic ritual there, and it was then that I realized that my grandfather who was a millionaire and politician, was involved and was also intergenerationally connected. It has gone back in the family for generations as far as I know. Wayne Morris: Did your family learn in terms of the mind control programming or was it strictly in terms of being traumatized by the satanic rituals? Brice Taylor: I have no way of knowing what my parents' duties or jobs were during their early lifetimes, but I believe that my father was made into a multiple through the severe satanic ritual that happened to him, so I don't believe that he was consciously operating with the programming of me, where all parts of him knew what was going on, because I know he was a multiple. I watched him switch into child personalities and all sorts of different entities that he became during the years. Wayne Morris: Was that caused by his father's conditioning of him? Brice Taylor: Yes. My Dad was severely tortured his whole life, had a very abusive childhood, and as I was healing and able to look back, he even had several near-death experiences due to accidents that I think were perhaps his programming kicking up as mine did later on. Wayne Morris: Were there government or military connections in your family? Brice Taylor: Not to the public, but certainly I was shuffled and taken into the government and military bases, but as far as being publicly connected, no. Wayne Morris: Do you know how they had made that connection with the military in terms of turning you over to them? Brice Taylor: I believe that whole connection came with my grandfather who was a politician, and it seemed like once I met him (I had never met him until I was nearly ten years old and my father flew me to Iowa to meet him) - it was shortly after that I started being connected to all sorts of famous politicians and entertainers, and a lot of different people. So I believe it was through my grandfather. Wayne Morris: Was your grandfather himself conditioned, or was he knowledgeable about the techniques of conditioning for the purpose of mind control? Brice Taylor: I have no way of knowing ... all I know is that he tortured me and my father was there, and there were usually a lot of other men. I have only my own experience and what I believe to be the truth for my father is that although they created these heinous things, and did all of this, that he was programmed also. I can't answer that for my grandfather. I wasn't around him enough. Wayne Morris: Can you describe for our listeners what kinds of things were done to you that you remember as a child? Brice Taylor: It is always hard for me to go back into this, it seems that no matter how many years go by, it is still very painful. There was trauma done in the form of being stuck with pins and needles, being burned, hung by my feet - sometimes to crosses, spun, dropped off a table as an infant, near drowning, sexual abuse and orgies, being drugged, food and sleep deprivation, and then adding to that when I was around five, was all of the military mind control that was done with very sophisticated instrumentation and chairs and electroshock ... That was all done to create a shattered psyche that I believe was used later for all these different personalities that were created for the mind control purpose. Wayne Morris: Were you used by the military at the bases as a child, or was that later in your life? Brice Taylor: I was taken to bases in Long Beach, California as a child where they used very sophisticated means of light, sound combined with electroshock and drugs and all sorts of torture and hypnosis. Wayne Morris: Do you feel that your family had kind of laid in the base conditioning in terms of creating dissociation within you, and then more sophisticated mind control later, or were they programming you as well? Brice Taylor: My father was absolutely programming me as well, he did the base programming and a lot of the trauma-based conditioning, and then these other layers of more sophisticated programming were put in on top of that. Wayne Morris: In terms of your father's public life, what was his public image? Brice Taylor: My father was a welder, he was certainly everything any father was supposed to be. He provided well for his family, and was seen as a very charming man. No one had any idea, including his own physician, and I am not sure I understand that either because this man was creating so much torture and trauma in his children. Wayne Morris: Was your mother a co-perpetrator, did she have knowledge of what was going on? Brice Taylor: My mother also abused me in a lot of different ways, and I thought at the time when I was recovering my memory and going through all of this that my mother had done this on purpose. It wasn't until I healed to the level to be able to go back and confront her with all the different traumas, and tortures and abuses - that I saw her cry and she said to me "it's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I can't remember." I felt very strongly that my mother actually may at a subconscious level have known that she had participated, however she couldn't remember. However, she wasn't discounting what I said which was very unusual for most survivors. Usually their parents say, "this never happened" - my mother did not do this. In fact she went on to help fund financially my book when I was running for my life and had no source of income. She has helped me even today, although she still only cries and has not any of her own memories. Wayne Morris: Do you have memories of your mother being involved in the cult activity as well? Brice Taylor: Yes. I have memories of my mother being tortured and traumatized in satanic rituals that were done at some churches that we went to at night. My mother was a battered wife, she doesn't remember a lot of it but my father battered her and some of the personalities he had were abusive and others weren't. So my mother was absolutely tortured, and I know that she was programmed in a sophisticated way in order to deliver me off in time to the airport late at night or early in the morning when I was being used internationally, and with high level leaders in our government, and with entertainers and she doesn't remember any of that. However to this day she has trouble driving to the airport and doesn't understand why it is so frightening for her. Those are the kind of indications to me that she really knows but she can't remember, because of programming. Wayne Morris: Has she attempted to get help for herself? Brice Taylor: My Mom did, and my Mom is nearly 80 years old. She said to me "I am afraid I will come apart and I won't be able to function", because she watched me become severely dysfunctional to where I couldn't even take care of myself or anybody else in order to heal. She said she felt her greatest help would be able to help me financially and to be able to be there with my children, who I am not able to have much contact with at this point. My Mother is a victim, and now that I have done my complete healing and realized that my life with my children was very similar to the one that she led with me, I have some very deep compassion for her and wish that in her time it would have been for her to heal, but I understand. I know what it took for me to go through the healing process. It was years, and it was over $250,000 worth of therapy and bodywork, and all sorts of healing modalities ... so I understand what it has taken in the past to heal and what it would take for her as an older person. I was in therapy daily. My Mother is an incredibly strong person, even in her late 70's, she is working in the capacity that she can, and it's pretty miraculous actually. Wayne Morris: When you were a child, did you attempt to tell anybody about the abuses, or were you even somewhat aware? Brice Taylor: It's interesting that you ask that Wayne, because when I was deprogramming and reintegrating, I had a lot of memories, and one of the specific ones that I had explains this. I had a personality in elementary school that was programmed to do child pornography and the way it was done was that I was taken out of my classroom at school in order to go to be taken to what they called "choir practice". My church was very close locally, so they would take me out of class to be taken to the choir director's home to practice "choir" during schooltime. What ended up happening was that once we got there, and put on our choir robes, the whole thing turned and changed, and we stopped singing. And we went downstairs in the basement to be filmed in pornography and all sorts of heinous ritualistic pornographic, everything filmed with all sorts of equipment. This one day by the time I was taken back to school with the other children, I had for some reason not switched out of that personality. I went to the school principal's office and I told her that this had happened and I was talking in all these terms with sexual language and things that she found very distasteful, and I remember her shaking her finger at me and saying, "stop talking like this, this is disgusting, children shouldn't be speaking like this". I got punished for that like I did lots of different subsequent times when I attempted to tell what was going on - I always ended up getting punished. Yes, I did attempt to tell and whether this woman, the principal, was herself programmed ... I have since learned from my own experience that oftentimes there will be a whole web of people in a community - the professionals, the educational system, the church system - and everyone in that community will be programmed and have been ritually abused and they attend rituals at night without even knowing it in an attempt to keep the whole community traumatized and programmed. So, yes I did try to tell. It took until very late on in my life for people to start listening. Wayne Morris: Did this principal inform your parents of what you were saying? Brice Taylor: No. Wayne Morris: Where did you grow up? Brice Taylor: I grew up in California in Woodland Hills - it was southern California - about 20 minutes inland from Malibu. Wayne Morris: Do you know if as a child you were displaying signs of abuse that teachers could have picked up on? Brice Taylor: Thinking back now, just even that example that I described to you where I had knowledge of sexual behaviour and language that was well beyond the understanding of a child - I was always labelled as mischievous, getting in trouble in school, acting out. I was always the class clown. I think I did have even physical signs that teachers today would possibly pick up, and probably even the difference in my personalities had to have shown. I had obvious switches, where I was switching in and out of different personalities. I know that because when I reintegrated there were a lot of different school personalities that had been created to handle school. I am sure that when teachers and other adults begin to have more information about dissociative identity disorder and all of this abuse that they will have the eyes to see. Wayne Morris: When did you first realize that you were subjected to mind control? Brice Taylor: The memory of the actual mind control involvement started to come to light in 1988 after several years of thinking I was crazy, having the accident, and all of that. In 1988 I realized there was more than I was just "crazy, nuts, confused". Wayne Morris: You had memories of the ritual abuse before that? Brice Taylor: In 1985 I had a head injury. I had a head-on collision where my head went through the windshield of the car. What that did was it allowed me to access both sides of my brain for the first time in my life, and I began having memories - very frequent memories of all sorts of abuse that came in such a way that it was difficult for me to continue to process it all. There was just so much of it. There were years of memories that came flooding in. As my programming dictated, when those memories initially in 1985 started coming in, I just thought I was crazy. I was programmed to believe that if anything came up, I would just think I was crazy. In 1987 I had another accident on the same date as the head-on collision where I broke my back and smashed my head again riding a horse. It was on April 12 at 9:15 in the morning which was the same time as my 1985 head-on collision. The result of that accident was more very vivid flashback memories that came in the form of visual flashes, body memories where I felt agony, my body felt drugged. Very specific places in my body had pain. Once I learned through my daily therapy to begin to process that, I learned what it all meant. I would like to explain that during this time I was in school working towards my Master's Degree in Clinical Psychology to be a psychologist - when all of this memory started breaking through. This made me have to quit school before I graduated, but it gave me a lot of information about the psychological process and what I would need to go through to heal. Wayne Morris: It seems really unusual that you would have the two accidents on the same day at the same time. Do you feel that they were arranged - or at least the second one? Brice Taylor: I believe that it was definitely arranged, and I believe that because what happened in 1991 on April 10th which was 2 days before the anniversary of the accident date - I received a dollar bill in my wallet that had programming numbers and the date April 12th written across it. When I showed it to my therapist they realized this was intentional. Every time they sent things like this in to me, it was just another validation of reality for me. Wayne Morris: Do you think they would have programmed you to ride into that tree the second time? Brice Taylor: I think I was programmed to have an accident if I became dangerously close to remembering, and I think that once I had the first accident that they may have tied the second one to it in an attempt to kill me. I really don't know that. I know I was still being used. I continued to be used even when I thought I was free in 1991 and 1992, and even into 1993. I believe they were attempts to injure me to the point where I could function. I don't know. I don't have all the answers. Wayne Morris: >From what you know from other survivors' experiences, do you feel that's a common technique for killing people if they do come too close to remembering? Brice Taylor: Yes, I do. I think that as people are educated and become more aware, they will be able to see more clearly what has happened. I received letters from survivors, it began nationally, and now I receive letters from all over the world from survivors who have had all kinds of head injuries, strokes, all kinds of programmed accidents. Fortunately for all of us, and unfortunately for our controllers, what it has done is that it has actually made the brain barriers easier to access and to remove some of the amnesic barriers so that people who are having these accidents are beginning to remember more and more. Wayne Morris: Just in the news recently - the fatal accidents that Michael Kennedy and Sonny Bono had - skiing into a tree - sound very familiar. That's immediately what came to my mind. How did you manage to break free of their control, at what point did that happen? Brice Taylor: I was in daily therapy from 1987 on, and sometimes twice a day. So I was writing memories at home, in therapy. I was drawing. I was having bodywork. I was doing just about everything to heal. So I had healed and had begun to integrate a lot of my personalities so when in 1991 I received that dollar bill with my accident date written on it ... At that point I had connected with Dr. Catherine Gould who is a therapist in California who has worked for years with children who had DID and have been ritually abused. I met her actually when I was in school along my venture to be a therapist, and so she started giving me information as I was asking her questions about programming. She was able to give me a little information. No one who was around me - neither of my therapists had ever heard of ritual abuse or had worked with anyone at all with MPD - no one who was working with me really understood what I was talking about. Once I realized there was such a thing as mind control, the programming just started unfolding. Parts of me that knew about the programming that had been done started filling up journals listing my specific programming and how it worked; drawing pictures that I share in workshops that I do. I began to understand that there was a lot more to this than I could ever imagine, and I was afraid for my life and for my children's lives. I didn't know what to do. My therapist helped relocate me to an island on Hawaii and I went there and I was only going to spend a week trying to get clear on what I should do. I started realizing that my ex-husband was also a victim of this, and that there was a lot more going on. I went to this island, thinking I would only spend a week, and I ended up there for five weeks and returned in an attempt to rescue my children. During the time I was there, I had a lot of the higher level memories of my government and entertainer involvement. Being on the island, I had no money and very little support. I had a couple who helped me. I got a word processor and lived very frugally and just wrote and continued bringing back the memories and writing every day and re-integrating. With all of that, I realized that I had been used at very high levels within our own government. To help combat the programming that said I was crazy, I began to be strong enough of my own mind and body to be able to recognize when people were sent in on me to access me. I would be programmed to call back into a number and I was advised to keep doing that until I was healthy enough to really break free. I would call in, and these men would be on the phone, and they validated my reality of what I was remembering in a way that I am grateful to them now. I had no way of understanding before why men in suits would be following me in cars around L.A. and all over the place. It started making sense to me and I was able to put it together. In 1991 I was healing at a rampant rate, but I was still being accessed and used on the island. I was still being prostituted along with my daughter on the island. It was pretty devastating when I healed and realized it, but I was still healing and that's how I realized what was really going on. Wayne Morris: Do you know up to what point your perpetrators were still using you? Brice Taylor: I am not sure if I have the date right, but I believe it was actually until just before our current president was inaugurated was one of the last times I was used. Wayne Morris: When you were dealing with your first therapist you said they weren't really aware of mind control techniques. What kind of work were you doing with them? Were you doing memory work at that point? Brice Taylor: I started out just doing psychotherapy and analysis - it's absolutely insane to be doing that with someone under mind control - but they had no way of knowing. I was just doing straight psychotherapy and the memories started flooding in from the accidents, the trauma, and as I began to feel safer - that there was someone who, even if they didn't understand ... My therapist looked at me all the time like I was nuts. I was just coming up with all this abuse. The childhood abuse came up first, and then the ritual abuse memories came on the heels of the sexual abuse, and then the government mind control stuff came. Wayne Morris: So working with those initial therapists - you started remembering the government mind control ... At the point where they had stopped using you, or you were able to avoid being used, was there something you had done to prevent that? What was the situation? Brice Taylor: Actually I worked with a renegade member of the intelligence community who I lived with for a year and a half, and he was able to help me through identifying my codes, keys and triggers, what my programming was. We actually spent a year and a half in the house where he would trigger me and I would just go into my room and write and write and write, volumes of memory work where I would just go right back in ... I had been programmed to have a photographic memory and traumatic memory is laid down differently than normal memory is stored. I was able to not only see and hear, but use all my senses to go back into these memories and document it all. Over time there was no way I had any information or could have known about any of this top secret, still classified projects or the level of political sophistication and the interconnection of politicians and world leaders that I was used with. Wayne Morris: Are you aware, or do you know how they programmed you to have photographic memory? Brice Taylor: It was a hypnotic command done under hypnosis with drugs and specific personalities. Wayne Morris: You have written a book about your account. "Starshine: One woman's valiant escape from mind control", and within that book you mentioned some electronic, harmonics equipment to help with your memory retrieval and deprogramming. Could you describe that and other forms of technology that were helpful? Brice Taylor: The harmonic equipment that I spoke about in the book was actually explained to me by this member of the intelligence community - that was some of the specific programming equipment that had been used to program people. It could be used to deprogram people. However, since then I have not been able to get anybody within the government obviously to bring this equipment out publicly. But I do have some very good hope for people that have been through this to heal, and the closest that I know of help for people ... In fact, I am now in the process of beginning to open a business for EEG biofeedback. There is a company in California that is one of many around the country called "EEG Spectrum" and basically it is a way of a person working through with a computer game that is monitoring your own brain waves, where a survivor or anyone is able to begin to realize what brainwave state they are in. Survivors are usually heavy Theta accessed - they are in Theta a lot. Basically what this does is to help people stay more into the Beta which is their conscious, alert awareness and learn that way. One of the beauties of EEG biofeedback is that however a person has been traumatized, and most people born into these generations on the earth now have been traumatized in whatever way -- the trauma begins to be encoded physically and therapy alone over time doesn't affect the body/mind connection in the way that this EEG biofeedback reintegrates brain function so the body/mind can begin to be dealt with. I bought the equipment and began working with my daughter at home during a few months when I was able to have her, and it borders on being miraculous. Of course she was very afraid it was like mind control, but it brought her out of catatonic states and made her be able to function in ways that she wasn't able to. I would say that the EEG biofeedback equipment and technology is the closest I know to help victims with memory retrieval and deprogramming - it is gentler, kinder and without so much body pain memory. It's EEG Spectrum and there are affiliates all over the nation and it is 1-800-789-3456. [http://www.eegspectrum.com/ (Found via AltaVista)] Wayne Morris: With this kind of equipment - was it that you were able to see your brainwave activity and then adjust your own thinking to deal with it? How did that work? Brice Taylor: Basically you are fed back a "reward" so it's like - it's operant conditioning - just like a rate in a maze. You are rewarded when pacman goes and you hear the sound accompanied with a reward. It's a reward that rewards your central nervous system, so it's not like someone has to be an intellectual or figure it out - the healing happens. I have been working with children with ADD and ADHD and often within two or three sessions, kids that are 10 or 11 years old who have never been able to read are reading ... they are saying, "I can read", and children who are on Ritalin are coming off Ritalin because they are able to manage their brainwave state. So children can do it, adults can do it, because it works with the central nervous system. It's very powerful and I think it is very hopeful for the future. Wayne Morris: I would like to talk now about some of the techniques they used to condition and program you. Do you remember how hypnosis was used to control and program? Brice Taylor: It was used in just about all of my earlier programming, whether it was my father or programmers - I was taken a lot to Disneyland or different places where fantasy was intentionally mixed with reality. Hypnosis was always used in conjunction with drugs, and often when I was at military bases or NASA installations, it was used in conjunction with a very sophisticated chair and instruments that went over my head - I was given electroshock and hypnotic commands with drugs that they know are very useful in allowing that hypnotic command to go deeper than the subconscious mind. Wayne Morris: What was the purpose of the drugs? Was that to make you more open to hypnosis? Brice Taylor: I think the drugs are used in a lot of different ways, certainly I am not a physician or a brain surgeon to know how that all works. But I believe the drugs were used a lot to keep the conscious mind out of the way in order to be able to take the programming to very deep levels. Wayne Morris: Just to open the subconscious ... And specifically, what was the purpose of electricity? What factor did that play in mind control? Brice Taylor: As a child I was 'shocked' at home by bare electric cords, and as I began getting a little older - with a cattle prod, and then stun guns as I was older still. And then later the hi-tech electronic equipment at the bases. And I believe that's done for dissociation - as a person is shocked and traumatized it affects your whole energy field and the trauma creates dissociation which allows people to be programmed at very deep levels when your conscious mind is out of the way. Wayne Morris: Later on, with the more sophisticated programming, what was the role of electricity? Brice Taylor: I believe it is still the same thing. There are members of the intelligence community; there are ex-military people who, it may take ten years, but they begin remembering being set in chairs with electroshock, and drugs and hypnosis while they are being given the commands for their jobs or assignments. I believe there is a lot more to be understood and learned about this as more and more survivors are taken as credible sources of information and what they describe having seen in the classified projects is brought to light in that way. Wayne Morris: Do you feel they also used electricity to make you forget? Brice Taylor: In fact a member of the intelligence community who helped me out told me that a stun gun is used, and was used, because they believed it would erase memory twenty minutes on each side of the memory. When an event happened, they would use a stun gun 20 minutes into it in order to erase 20 minutes before the event had happened, and 20 minutes after. They felt confident that would erase the memory; however, I was able to access memory because I became a medicator [meditator?], and I was able to access memory throughout all of it - throughout the electroshock, through the drug barriers - there really was nothing that erased my memory in ways they thought they did. None of their techniques to erase memory was satisfactory. Their techniques have fallen short, and I think that's why there are so many survivors who are remembering. Wayne Morris: When you were remembering this, particularly the electricity, was it conscious memory, or did it come back as more body memories, how did the memories appear? Brice Taylor: It came back in all ways in every day of my waking hour. I really had probably ten years of my life (once I began healing) that was not my own either because I was so busy remembering, and documenting through writing what I was remembering. The memories came through - things in the environment would trigger me. I would see something and it would remind me subconsciously and I would have a feeling, and I would follow that feeling and that memory back into my own mind. The memory would just be there. I had flashbacks - where, during the flashback state - information and experiences are very clear, and very vivid, and seem as if they are happening even that moment - things that have happened 10, 20 years ago. I recovered memory a lot through the flashback state and basically I kept a journal with me at all times. Anything that reminded me or triggered me or made me feel funny, I wrote about it. Over time all these bits and pieces of information that I wrote about all fell into line, even the ages I was versus the ages presidents were when they were in office. Everything all fit together in a puzzle, a perfect picture, that I couldn't have created if I had tried to. Wayne Morris: You mentioned the more sophisticated technology, particularly at NASA, and some of the military bases. Can you describe that, and what effect they were trying to have on you? Brice Taylor: A lot of that was being sat in a chair that looked like the NASA space chairs, where I would be strapped in. A lot of the equipment that I imagine was used by the astronauts was used on me. A lot of the spinning, the weightlessness, being put into sensory deprivation tanks. Being subjected to a lot of the light and sound along with electroshock. A lot of that where I was being delivered information like, I would have on headphones and in one ear I would be hearing one sound and in the other I would be hearing other sounds. I was programmed with tones, so a tone on a phone would have a specific meaning that would be subliminally and subconsciously connected with a command. When I was initially healing, when I would try and dial the phone, I would hit the numbers and hear the tones in my ear, it would scramble me and I couldn't think straight. I couldn't function. It was a matter of going back and consciously realizing that these tones were connected to commands that I no longer needed to follow and it took several years for that not to affect me. It still affects me; however, the equipment they used oftentimes in the auditory was using one sound in one ear, and one sound in the other which confuses the conscious mind and sends a message straight into the unconscious which is a very powerful way of controlling a person. Wayne Morris: Do you know what kinds of things they deliberately did to prevent you from remembering? Brice Taylor: I don't have my diagram with me right now, but off the top of my memory, they gave me programmed commands that should I begin remembering, I would become confused. Should I begin remembering, I would feel tired and fall asleep. Should I begin remembering, I would have migraine headaches. I would have accidents. I would want to kill myself and there were very specific ways to self-injure that I was taught which I had to fight, literally, for a couple of years in order to stay alive to get to the deeper levels of memory. There were endless, endless internal landmines of boobytraps and programming that was intended to kill me or make me feel like I was crazy or insane. Then when you add to that all the people outside - my family that was programmed, the people who I was being perpetrated by, with all of that, it is nearly impossible to begin remembering unless you have a head injury or something happens that really shakes a person up. I also think that the continued trauma to myself, to my husband, to my children was one of the biggest forms of attempting to keep me under control, because the innate mother instinct is very strong and has been one that I have had to logically overcome in order to speak out, knowing that my children will be safer if I spoke out than if I kept silent. There were also phone accesses to codes that would be called, people would say either programmed phrases or set certain numbers on the phone where the phone would then play in my ear. It is endless. A web. Wayne Morris: In terms of the actual programming that was done to you, was mainstream culture in any way? You mentioned that you were taken to Disneyland ... Brice Taylor: I was programmed with all the regular fantasy that children go through. I saw the Disney films and was heavily programmed to all of them - The Parent Trap, with the twin sisters - that was my base programming for my twin sister programming which was the high level programming that was used in the government to keep me from knowing what my internal twin sister who was actually involved with the elite families and the government was doing. I was shown lots of movies that had very profound programming - not that the movies were programs - but the way they were used was. The film, Lost Horizons, I was programmed to be ageless unless I left. That's the theme of the film - when you leave you start aging. I had a lot of programs where they won't age as long as they stay in. The books and films, it was one tool of programming after another - and they were all mainstream. Wayne Morris: Do you feel that films that are currently coming out are still being used for programming? Brice Taylor: Yes I do, and at a higher level. I think if people continue to ignore the profound and deep effect of what children receive as visual and auditory images in childhood - the effect it has on their entire psyche and the framework for which they set up belief systems. Even if they are not programming, for the rest of their lives we need to be mindful of what children are seeing and I think people have yet to look at how serious the havoc that is being wreaked on children really is. If people look with the eyes of a child to the Disney films and to a lot of the things children are watching on television and in movies, it is horrific. Wayne Morris: Was music used at all in your experience? Brice Taylor: I was even programmed with music to fall in love with my husband. The songs were linked with my emotions in order to initiate a state of feeling that I was in love. I watched as years went by that the music was played to me at very important times when I was to be used for something. I also was used within the entertainment industry and saw how some of the current and very famous and powerful musicians were programmed, and their music and certain phrases were encoded. Oftentimes, I even delivered programmed phrases from the elite to these entertainers, and delivered the words or the phrases they were to say during their performances when they were live and on stage. I believe that a lot of people were programmed to want to be with these people, or to revere them, or get hysterical, see them all the time, idolize them so that they would continue to return to these mass performances for their own programming. It was a way of keeping groups intact that were already programmed so they could be controlled. Wayne Morris: About your book. What motivated you initially to write about your experiences, and why did you choose to write it as a fictional work? Brice Taylor: I was trying to stay alive. I was running from place to place, from state to state, all by myself. Dr. Catherine Gould recommended that I stay in contact with her and Ted Gunderson, who is a retired FBI agent who has been helping survivors and basically I was trying to stay alive and to be able to explain to people what was going on in order to keep myself and my children safe. And I was trying to help other survivors so they could see and perhaps it would ease their feeling of being alone and feeling crazy, much in the same way that Lauren Stratford's, Satan's Underground, after I had a bunch of my memories, had been something that helped me realize that I wasn't alone and I wasn't crazy. Wayne Morris: Did you feel that the book served as a kind of insurance policy for you as well? Brice Taylor: Absolutely. It continues to ... in ways that ... a member of the intelligence community told me ... I explained I had written the book and gotten it out all over along with my actual memories, naming the names, dates and places in a letter stating that if anything happened to me or my children, that this information was to be made bigger and that the people that had my information who were public already with this issue were to take it out wider and then ... what ended up happening was it created a huge safety-net for myself and my children. Wayne Morris: I was going to ask why you chose not to name the names, but I think you just answered that. Brice Taylor: Initially I made it under Catherine Gould's recommendation in order to stay alive. Also to make the problem understood in a more simple fashion by the general public. People really had a hard time back in those days hearing the names that I was naming who they thought as their national icons or heroes as doing this horrific torture to myself and my children. I felt it was a way, in a very simple way, to help people to understand what was going on. Wayne Morris: Can you tell us just in a general sense what kind of entertainers were involved, and politicians? Brice Taylor: World class, internationally known comedian, actually my owner was an internationally renowned comedian. World leaders, Presidents, Judges, lawyers, politicians at all levels, famous entertainers and musicians, ministers, dentists, doctors - I mean, the list goes on and on and on. It was my experience that there are world leaders and entertainers in Hollywood and all over who are themselves programmed, and are in need of healing. Wayne Morris: Do you feel that these entertainers had intelligence connections as well? Brice Taylor: That I have no way of knowing that. But I would say there were some types of intelligence - I don't know actually what the connection was - whether it was actually our intelligence communities or what. But I would often be escorted to a very famous person's home that was an entertainer, by two men in suits and a black sedan to deliver programming. So yes, I would say it was some sort of intelligence. Wayne Morris: How well distributed is your book, "Starshine", and how can people get a hold of it? Brice Taylor: Right now I can give you my PO Box that people can order it from, and that's to just write a cheque to Brice Taylor Trust, PO Box 655 Landrum, S. Carolina 29356 and I also have another book called "Revivication" which is a gentle alternative method of memory retrieval process for trauma survivors. Both books together including shipping are $25 U.S. Any bookstores carrying New Leaf Distributor books can be ordered in that manner. Part II Wayne Morris: Do you consider yourself completely free from control by your perpetrators, and have they attempted to reaccess you? Brice Taylor: Yes I consider myself absolutely free, and I still receive harassment. Although since I have gotten my book out, it's more on a verbal level, or receiving things in the mail that are attempts to trigger my programming, or like messing with my mail, and things like that. Wayne Morris: I would like to go into a bit more detail about the kinds of things you were used by your handlers for? Brice Taylor: That's a big one. I was used by a member of the National Security Agency and someone that was oftentimes close to Presidents - I was programmed with what he called "Mind Files" and I had government Mind Files where I was programmed to have perfect photographic recall of documents that I was programmed to read and remember in my head. It was like having a computer brain; a human computer at your access. Along with that, I was also used with these Mind Files in order to be like a postal bank of communication between the elite members who were bringing out the New World Order in order to keep their world plan orchestrated and organized. I was also used as a sex slave to Presidents and foreign leaders and entertainers here and abroad, in order to deliver programmed messages from the elite in order to keep the plan smoothly running and operating. I was also used on lower levels in my community with money laundering, pornography, prostitution. It was endless. Wayne Morris: Do you have memories of the details of the information they were keeping in your Mind Files? Brice Taylor: Oh yes, years of it. I spent years documenting everything. It's very classified projects and plans for the New World Order. Wayne Morris: Can you tell us in terms of alerting the public about what kinds of things they are planning to bring about this New World Order, and what they envision that this would be? Brice Taylor: >From what I heard on the inside, in my experience sitting among these so-called elite people, the financial elite - their plan is for a world takeover because they feel that genetically and in every other way physicially, the populations of the earth are inferior - of an inferior genetic strain. What they are attempting to do is to bring down the population through various contrived means - which is a whole other subject all on its own - in order to bring these people to death so that the planet will be left pristine and untouched for their future progeny. Wayne Morris: It might be a bit too late for that ... Brice Taylor: Yeah. They feel that - and certainly I don't have the most up to date information - survivors who have come out since I did, have more current information of the plan. I am certain they have had to change it and alter it in order to bring it through - they feel that what is their ace in the hole this time, because they have tried this many, many other generations - it's almost like a game of wits of the most intellectual and financial power brokers being able to see what kind of game they can do here on the small minds of the planet - these people are unwitting victims. Even people who aren't under mind control are victims of all this and will be in the future. What I understood was that they were planning a complete and utter economic collapse of the nations that would make the Depression of 1929 look like child's play and through that, bringing people financially to their knees, they would then come in and control them, and bring in whatever other measures they would want to in the guise of rescue - when it certainly wouldn't be that at all. Personally I would like to put a call out to people who are in any way spiritually connected, knowing that this plan can never be able to be brought about as the people even at the higher levels that are participating, may be participating without knowing what they have been participating in, such as members of the intelligence community who have been compartmentalized in their knowledge of what projects they were participating in. I would certainly put scientists that are inventors in that category. I would put people that are in the Masonic Order that are perhaps at the lower levels and are serving the King at the higher levels without realizing that what they are putting their energy into thinking that they are helping children and people that are in need of help - what they are doing actually is serving the highest levels of evil and corruption and destruction of men, women and children. People need to realize that these people they are serving are turning against their own and that we need to take back our own spiritual power and stay connected spiritually in order to know what to do and how to act, and how to see the truth, and how to discern what lies and propaganda and strategies have been given over the television, over movies with intentional strategies. I sat with the men who strategized about what thoughts and belief systems they were trying to get people to believe so that they could continue with the plans. Mind control was their ace in the hole this time, because they felt that there couldn't be any mess-ups, and no human frailty or weakness of mind or conscience if people were under mind control. So I would just ask people to please open their eyes, and to begin to not just take what they see that is given out by the government and the intelligence community as truth and reality, but to begin to question and think on their own. Wayne Morris: Specifically how do you think mind control would be used in terms of a takeover implementation? Brice Taylor: I think there are people they have in positions of power, not only in the military but in political and religious circles who are themselves under mind control and can be used as puppets to do whatever they are instructed to do from higher up levels. People think that we elect our presidents and I have sat with the people who planned who the presidents were going to be and groomed them, and told them what to do, and what to say, and how to say it, and when to say it, and when not to. And I delivered all kinds of messages of instructions to presidents and world leaders about what to do and what not to do. I watched as people who were good people and weren't involved were manipulated, brainwashed and controlled by persons like myself who were programmed, dressed in jewels and beautiful clothes, with all the fancy and sophisticated sexual innuendoes and techniques that I myself, my daughter, others were programmed to do and go in and just -- if these men were at all able to be coerced they were manipulated and then they were blackmailed. These people who are in positions of power know how to find out and research what people's weaknesses are, whether they are sex, drugs, sexual perversion, financial gain -- they lure them in and once people have been forced and coerced to participate and do the dirty deed - and a lot of times it was filmed, videotaped and documented - and these people who were already in positions of financial, political, whatever power, were then told 'this will be public knowledge and information if you don't go along with us'. I watched people being coerced at the highest levels at parties of the elite, where cocaine was flowing, drugs, alcohol, whatever anyone wanted - sex with children, whatever - anything they wanted - people were given. It was perversion at the highest level. Wayne Morris: When you speak of the global elite, I just finished airing interviews with Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler and they speak of this global elite as being what is known as the Illuminati. Is that your understanding? Brice Taylor: Actually I couldn't name it. It was never called that inside, but I will go so far as to say it is some of the old money families ... the reason I don't name names is there are too many of them, number one ... the names aren't going to help us sort out the problem, but the information is. And I was clearly told by a member of White House Intelligence for 29 years that I could tell what happened, but not to name the names. I want my children brought into safety and healing, and I believe that my children's level of healing isn't going to much different than what is going to be needed for some of these people who have been involved at the highest level. Wayne Morris: Let me go back to the point about the economy. How specifically do you think they will manipulate the economy to bring it down? Brice Taylor: I think we have all lived in an inflated society, not just the government, but we have all been trained to use credit cards, buy on credit, and really we own virtually nothing anymore. If you do a crash on the financial things people have invested in - it's all just a mind game anyway - none of it's real. It cripples the economy. The specific means of how that is to be done I would say probably has fingers and feelers into the IRS, all the world banking systems that are in place, have been for years. If you follow the money, you will find a lot of the answers. Wayne Morris: Do you believe there will be, for example, a stock market crash? Brice Taylor: I don't like to predict these kinds of things but I would say that is a strategy that in the past I have heard and know has been used in the past. I would feel like I would be disrespectful to people to say that I know that to be sure, but I have certainly heard it. But I have been out for a number of years and things change and strategies change. They alter them as they perhaps are uncovered or being a problem to the plan. Wayne Morris: What do you feel that the public can do to thwart their intentions? Brice Taylor: I think people need to contact their local politicians and demand information be divulged about the government experiments, the medical, radiation, drug experiments, mind control experiments - all of that. I think as people start learning about the internal structure of the Masonic Order and how the programming is working and how people's brain waves can be altered and messed with, even at a distance ... I think people need to get very instructed and educated about what has gone on. I think people need to begin to simplify their lives ... financially and in all ways in order to be able to take the time to evolve spiritually and see what's really going on and connect deeply. Unfortunately I think people are going to have the opportunity to make a spiritual stand as people were during the times of Nazi Germany where they housed babies and people who were going to be killed due to a sick genetic belief system. I believe that as people are able to really take a stand and understand and help that it will turn things around, but I think a lot has been put into place and it's going to take some time to undo it ... obviously with all the people who are under mind control who need to be healed. Wayne Morris: >From the global elite perspective, what do they consider threats to their plan? Brice Taylor: I think the exposure of the plan would be a threat to their plan ... people being in charge of themselves and understanding that there are projects such as the HAARP project that are altering the frequency of the planet and the minds of the people that are here and demanding that that project be stopped ... stopping the military from being able to hide research and instrumentation and experimentation of weaponry that is oftentimes unable to be seen ... it is invisible but it is damaging to the public and to the world. Demand to know what their tax dollars are being used for ... which, from my perspective, people are paying taxes in order that all this research be done on mind control, on everything else ... and they are paying for their own demise, paying for their own destruction. They are fuelling the government agencies and the military who have been given such a high priority on this earth for destruction instead of funding education and teaching children how to think and critically analyze, and empowering people. It's all built on a military mind, and bent on destruction, and control, and power. Wayne Morris: When you had access to this information, what was their time frame for bringing this about or did this come up? Brice Taylor: Within the next couple of years ... the plan was intended to be culminated by the year 2000. Wayne Morris: Is there a particular significance to the years 1998 and 1999 in terms of their own occult belief system? Brice Taylor: It's a perversion of Christianity, it's a perversion of Christ. Everything that I ever saw was a perversion of everything that is good ... Wayne Morris: I have heard a number of survivors talk about "end-time programming", do you have any knowledge of that and what it entails? Brice Taylor: I had that too ... I never actually got to what my job was, but I knew that there was a job I was programmed to have and do during those end times. I think that people were programmed and are still programmed to create endless chaos. With the general population being so ignorant about the mind control technology, about how targeted energy can affect brain waves, about all of the higher level technology ... that they are blinded to all of this ... and that's dangerous. Wayne Morris: Do you feel that therapists and other professionals have made any headway to disable this kind of programming? Brice Taylor: I think the therapists who have been working diligently in this for years, and I highly honour them. I am very grateful, and I think they have done it a lot, and they have done it against all odds, and at a great sacrifice professionally and in every way. I think that certainly bringing the programming to light and to conscious awareness dismantles much of it, and I think that EEG biofeedback technology is something therapists can use so instead of taking 10-15 years to reintgrate someone with DID, that it can be done within a year or two without so much disruption to the person's functional life. Wayne Morris: How long do you think it has taken them to actually program these people to the level they can be used to participate in the plans? Brice Taylor: Usually it's the intergenerational abuse, so children that are going to be used on official levels are programmed first and it takes years. I understand that starting in the seventies, children that weren't from intergenerational families began to be programmed in daycare centres which is where you have the McMartin preschool case and all of these cases where the children told what happened, and were either initially believed and the people from the inside came out and said this never happened and had the cases turned around and make the children look not credible. That's another question I always ask people. As a child when I told, how would I have known about all the sexual stuff unless I had seen it? Adults need to logically think about how a child would ever even conceive of this kind of horror, and yet not just one or two children are coming up with this, but hordes of children from all over the world. People have got to start looking at this logically. This is not just the stupid False Memory Syndrome Foundation -- this is something much bigger. Children have better things to be doing and don't have the ability to create this kind of organized horror ... Wayne Morris: You alluded to child prostitution and pornography. How closely is this connected to these global elites and the plans with the New World Order? Brice Taylor: >From my perspective and experience, I believe the child pornography and prostitution was done for their pleasure and entertainment. My daughter and my son were prostituted, taken to parties where the elite or anybody who wanted to have sex with them was able to go in and have sex with children. I think it is used as an incredible fund-raising ability to bring in large amounts of money underground with child pornography in international markets where it is highly sought after and brings in a lot of money for their operations. Wayne Morris: In your opinion, how widespread do you think trafficking in children is going on today? Brice Taylor: I think that it's enough that if normal people knew how widespread it was, it would bring them to their knees. It's like Ted Gunderson says, as an ex member of the FBI, in California they knew exactly where all the stolen cars were but no one had any idea about any statistics or any idea about where all the missing children went ... Wayne Morris: In your opinion can you estimate how many you think have been programmed, how many are mind control victims? Brice Taylor: I never heard or saw a number on the inside. I know there are a lot of people healing, and I get letters from survivors all over the world. A statistic I did hear from a member of the intelligence community one time was for the Presidential model project where women were programmed to sexually service presidents and the elite was 3000 in this country. That would mean there were 3000 women, and then as in my case, my daughter would follow in my footsteps. It's like a pyramid game. As the generations go on, the numbers of people gets larger as the families continue to propagate. Wayne Morris: Can you speak to what kind of similarities you see in survivors' accounts, and what geographical areas they are from? Brice Taylor: Actually, physically they are from all over the world, so I haven't really seen 'everybody is from California' or 'everybody is from Nevada'. It's not like that. But people do name a lot of the same military bases and I will just say for myself and my daughter were programmed heavily at Point ______ Naval Base where they had dolphin tanks in research, and there were places at Edwards Air Force Base and all sorts of different locations. But I think our commonalities are that we are all naming either major medical hospitals where arms of different medical research projects were done, or military bases, or NASA stations ... it's an organized pictures. It's not just some little satanic cult operating here and there. It's all very organized. Wayne Morris: Have the people you have spoken to had similar experiences in terms of starting from an early age, and being exposed to these satanic rituals, abuses and what percentage of people are involved in the government mind control that you have spoken about? Brice Taylor: Actually most of the survivors I have met have been used more at local levels, not within the government, but used more at a lower level. However there have been ten or twelve other Presidential models that I have met. I have met women who come up to me and are afraid to give me much of their story, but will say so-and-so was also my abuser, or they remember the same man. A lot of my validation has come from not naming the names and for many of these women who are so frightened and have never read my book and they find me out in the hall, and corner me, and name the names and oftentimes they are some of the high level perpetrators that were also my abusers. I quietly validate them and they go off and heal knowing they are not crazy. Wayne Morris: I want to also to talk about the criminal connection to other organized crime, and particularly trafficking in children, and I wondered if you could shed any information about what you have been exposed to. Brice Taylor: As far as the criminal connection, my memories and my experiences as a child were heavily Mob involved as well as CIA and government, different medical universities and military bases that were used. As far as that criminal activity, how it all weaves in, I believe is just as ___ that are used in order to benefit from the child trafficking and is able to use these children and certainly the pornography and prostitution, and to bring in other children -- there's a place in my book where I talk aobut how I was used under mind control to enlist other children into an automobile in California. These were children, as far as I was aware as a child, that probably did not have the background or programming, or had not even been abused, that were kidnapped off the street and enticed with the use of another child to bring them in. And then once they were in the car they were trapped and I watched as they were used in pornography and were used in snuff films in which they were actually killed during the filming, and then were disposed of in whatever manner. Certainly this type of what some of these sick and sadistic people think of as entertainment that feeds their own perversions and their own sick senses, is what has really brought in a large financial base. This has been exposed by other women who have talked about the funds being used for black operations, CIA government mind control, different medical experiments that were being done. This is where a lot of the funding for these activities comes from. Wayne Morris: These tie in with the criminal activities such as (as you mentioned) child pornography, prostitution, drug trafficking. How widespread, in your opinion, is trafficking in children? Brice Taylor: I think it is very widespread, and I can think that the public has been seriously fooled by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and a lot of the media that has gone on saying that all these cases that have come up with the preschools and the different agencies around the country where children are coming forward and telling what happened to them -- that does include pornography. Statements are being made in sexual ways and certainly about abuse in the child's mind, and they are being discredited. And I believe the children are telling the truth. They are saying the same things that happened to me and lot of other women across the country. And we are certainly being discredited by the media. From what I understand and from the first persona accounts I hear, the people who are my age and go back even older and younger are talking about the amount of children in preschools that have been programmed, that may have not been in a generational ritual abuse ties, but who have been programmed and used in the pornography and prostitution in order to create great avenues of funding. I think that combined with kids who are found missing of the street and kidnapped in an attempt to use them as a means of funding - all of this horror continues to go unchecked by the public population that finds all of this so incredulous - that they don't even believe it. So here we have survivors and children who are also revictimized by a disbelieving public and oftentimes uninformed mental health and church system who are unable to believe that this kind of atrocity has gone on, so they are unable to come to these children's aid or to the adult survivors who are attempting to find avenues of relief and help in order to stop this and help themselves. Wayne Morris: It really seems that their biggest coverup for all of these atrocities is the public's disbelief. Brice Taylor: Walter Bowart who wrote "Operation Mind Control" has a blurb in his book that says the big secrets are protected by their incredulity. And certainly I believe that those who strategized this plan were very well aware that when all of us started talking about these things that just like in Nazi Germany - people still today believe that a lot of those horrors didn't happen - that people will turn away and deny what really happened because it is so horrific and incredulous. Wayne Morris: Speaking of Nazi Germany, there have been a number of allegations that there has been Nazi involvement, particularly in regard to Project Paperclip, of importing Nazis after WWII into the United States. Have you come across any Nazi connections in your experience? Brice Taylor: Yes I have, and just to enlarge and expand a little bit on Project Paperclip, Linda Hunt wrote a book about this in which she explained that Mark Phillips who was an intelligence officer and he personally told me that he was part of bringing in some of these Nazi doctors - bringing them into our country and giving them immunity - that he was unaware at the time of the full ramifications of what these people were doing within our country. Right there is the Nazi connection of how these men who were a lot of the scientists and doctors who had used the population of prisoners in the concentration camps as their unwitting and unwilling and suffering people as their population of research and how then they were brought to our country and put into the major universities and research centers in order to further their research mind control and were given over to the population of ritual abuse survivors in order to have now another group to experiment on of which certainly myself and my children were a part of that - but also included genetic experiments that were done to me and to my children. As far as the Nazi connections that I am aware of in my past, I am aware of my mother telling me my father went to some neo nazi meeting along with my grandmother when I was just a little girl. I know that in a lot of my recovery work the symbol that I kept drawing over and over was the swastika, the Nazi symbol. I saw that symbol as a child at some of the satanic ritual ceremonies that were done to me and others and certainly I believe that is a very large part of all of this. As society continues to want to even put Nazi Germany and the horrors of those people that suffered in the concetration camps under the rug and not look at it - it continues to proliferate here - even within our country - as these people are still getting away with doing the human experimentation and torturing people today. Wayne Morris: Do you feel that the experiments that were done in the Nazi concentration camps during the holocaust were for the purposes of developing mind control? Brice Taylor: Definitely. In fact last year I went to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. and saw their pictures of the actual brain experimentation and a lot of the research that was done, and it's all there for people that have the eyes to see - that this absolutely was experimentation - there are pictures of people being experimented on. Wayne Morris: Do you have, in your experience - did you come across Josef Mengele in the United States? A number of survivors of mind control have named him as being involved in their abuse in the U.S. post WWII era - was that part of your experience? Brice Taylor: No actually, it wasn't but there were doctors at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute who very instrumental in my programming and where I reported to oftentimes by myself as a result of responding to my programmed instructions to report there and where my programming was checked in on, and made into whatever the needs were at the time. There were doctors all over the country that I reported to in various military installations and certainly UCLA. Wayne Morris: A number of people I have interviewed have talked about the occult ideology of these groups that are responsible for perpetrating mind control. What do you think the significance of that is? Brice Taylor: I think that historically now - I have been able now to read back and to understand that the occult plans for this New World Order go back generations and were built on very heavily with what seemingly looks like religious ideology. I believe that the occult belief system and the evilness of that and the destructiveness, and certainly interlaced with superstitious belief is what continues to allow these things to proliferate as people's belief systems. They belief these perversions give them the power to take it forward into these times. I think that it's like for the satanists to believe that these satanic rituals and all of the perversions that are done during these rituals allow them in their belief system to believe they are gaining power by doing all these horrors and stealing energy from children and babies, in all of the different ways they are killing. It allows them to continue on. Until these belief systems are cleaned up and until people (the good people on the planet) are able to weave through their own denial that this level of atrocity could still be going on today, I think that's where the problem lies. It's until the people who are perpetrating this occultic belief meet up with the denial of people, even Christians, who can't believe this and say they are frightened by it, and don't want to deal with it - it's my experience in watching that if people do nothing that the children continue to be tortured and abused. Wayne Morris: Do you think this ties in in a general sense with these groups that have been using mind control in their motivation towards more and more power and wealth? I could ask, "Don't these old money power groups have enough money already?" What is motivating them to perpetuate these atrocities? Brice Taylor: What I saw from the inside sitting in a group of these men who were strategizing - it's almost like some of these people are so unbalanced intellectually - certainly fuelled by whatever horrific abusive, unloving, uncaring systems they may have come from - that they view and believe very strongly in the intellect and not feelings or any kind of caring or love or anything like that. They more or less look at this as a game of their intellect - like a group of powerful men sitting in a room thinking up strategies of how they might be able to control the world and what benefits they might be able to have. From what I saw, it seemed like it was a big game to them and in fact they used with me - and part of my programming was a chess game where they used different pieces of that chess game to represent different world leaders and this was how the game was played, and it was all used in a very symbolic way. I believe these people are very intelligent and are able to strategize and come up with a plan but it's almost as if the stakes have to get raised higher, just like in a poker game, of who could control who and how successful they would be in seeing how they could control the minds of the entire planet. Wayne Morris: I want to ask you if you are aware of any direct government ties to some of the satanic cults that seem to have proliferated across North America and a lot of survivors have come forward with their accounts of these cults. I suppose there are a lot of different levels there in terms of their involvement with the overall government mind control picture. I want to ask if you knew of any direct government ties to some of these cults. Brice Taylor: The government ties to the cults are the politicians that I believe have realized and are very aware that people in the cults, especially in the satanic cults where they are born and have multiple personality systems from the abuse in the family, are certainly prime candidates because of their dissociative abilities and inability to stay present in a unified, whole way with their minds to even know what's going on. I believe that through the politicians and through the military - the bases were used with a lot of the equipment for the mind control and certainly used as a way to cover up these experiments by saying they were military projects. There is a base in California, Point Magoo Naval Base on the coast there, it was real close to my house where myself and my children reported. That base was until recently armed with a man with a gun in the tower. You want to ask people what - in my recovery I wanted to ask people, "why would you think that a military base here in California on the coast would need to have men with submachine guns standing up in the guard tower?" I believe that the military was used as a branch of the government in order to house these projects in a way they could be kept secret from the public and yet here the public is paying taxes and actually funding these research projects in ways that they have no idea where their money is going. People are only beginning to demand to know about these secret projects through the Freedom of Information Act. I think the government ties are very strong. There are certain individuals within the government who have certainly been a part of this New World Order plan. >From what I saw with the presidents all being involved with their Masonic connections, and certainly some of them with higher Masonic connections than others. The mind control technology is hidden at the level of the 33 degree Masons. I believe this branches out to a lot of top hierarchy of a lot of organizations and not just the government - but also into the major corporations of the world where a lot of the corporate heads have been manipulated into this system. Where there is talent, money, power and control the secrecy has worked its way in. Wayne Morris: Do you have any inside information about their control over the media and connections there, in how they manipulate the media? Brice Taylor: Absolutely. I was amongst them when they were planning in the late 60's and 70's when they were planning strategies of how the information would go into the newspapers and I listened as they talked about some of the major families who owned some of the newspapers, and how through owning a lot of the major media, which I believe now is pretty complete if people were able to look back and trace the histories of a lot of the media, they would be able to see that this is all pretty much locked up and these things are censored when any of these subjects begin to work their way into the media. I know one intelligence officer told me there was a Russian intelligence officer who was being interviewed on television and they asked him a question and he said "the Americans have won the war of the mind" and they whisked him off the air and he never even showed back up - that was it - it never went any farther. I believe the media is in a large coverup right now and people are listening, and hearing a lot of stories that have been strategized in an attempt to have them believe what these people want them to believe instead of actually getting the truth of what has gone on. Wayne Morris: The media is currently creating a lot of furor over this latest Clinton scandal. I wondered if you could comment on that and if there is any indications that any of these women who are coming forward have been used like you have been? Brice Taylor: As a Presidential model, and speaking on behalf of other Presidential models and women I have spoken to within the last week or so - we all feel quite a victory that his reputation is being challenged - and that the truth is being brought forth. I would like to commend Paula Jones and even stand with her as knowing this is a reality, and this man needs to be stopped in his sexual perversions. I would say that personally for me, I was devastated when he was re-elected and I should and do try to remind myself all the time that the Presidents aren't really elected but I think it is going to take the Americans of the world to take back this country, and to really research and find out what is going on and to stop it and to realize that our leaders, even if they are not in control with themselves, may have an agenda here that is not for the good of the whole. Wayne Morris: Do you think the scandal may have possibly been engineered against Clinton by another power group - with not good intentions either? Brice Taylor: I have no way of knowing that. I think this man has perpetrated more horror to women on this planet, as well as a lot of the violence that has gone on - that continuous attempts for it to be leaked out to alternative media sources and the American public still is so - I don't know if they are so busy trying to earn a living for their families that they don't have time to research what their leaders are doing. It seems like up until now people have been pretty shortsighted. There are and have to be good people within the White House and within the intelligence community who may not know what is going on, and don't understand the mind control or the levels of how it has been used to manipulate and certainly may be behind some of these scandals, or allowing them to leak at least some of the truth to the press. I think it's a wonderful thing that at least our President is being called into check about some of the allegations that are made repeatedly against him as far as his sexuality and adultery, and all the perversions that follow it. Wayne Morris: In your experience, is Clinton any different than any other presidents in that regard? Brice Taylor: No. Wayne Morris: What do you feel is necessary to bring all of this into more public limelight to expose these atrocities? Brice Taylor: I think it is going to take a lot of education for people, and I think it is going to take the public waking up and coming out of denial about the level of evil that people are able to perpetrate on other people. I think people are going to need to take the survivor accounts into a belief arena in order to stop what has gone on because everybody is going to be a victim of this. Certainly the victims of mind control have suffered immensely through years of torture and trauma, but society also is a victim of this because until people are reintegrated and deprogrammed they are a threat to peace in society. As people well know, the programming that was done was not as effective and able to control people as they thought and as people break down their programming. It's a problem for society as people become violent. We find children who are killing their parents; we find that behind that is satanic abuse but it's not allowed into the court system and the reality of this has been covered up in so many different ways that the public isn't getting the truth of what is really happening? Wayne Morris: What plans do you and other survivors have of bringing this into more of a public view? Brice Taylor: Well certainly Wayne, I speak out whenever I have a chance whether it be radio, tv, workshops, conferences - I speak out all over the nation and that is certainly one avenue of giving out information. Writing books, and I encourage other survivors to write what happened to them and get it out. I think that another Presidential Commission needs to be brought where a greater number of women are able to come forward with their stories to stand with Valerie Wolf and her survivor clients who were so courageous and stepped forward and opened the door on the mind control experiments. I think it is going to take a grassroots movement of women who have been through this to expose it and stop it. I think that will be a very powerful avenue. Wayne Morris: Brice, I would like to thank you very much for joining us in this radio series. I know it took a lot of courage to come forward as you have, and I wish you all the strength in your ongoing struggle to bring this to light. 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