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Brian Salter wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> thanks for the interesting ideas... actually i hadn't actually meant
> to imply that the chinese are pursuing something other than a
> communist ideology, but that if they are in cahoots with the NWO
> elements here it may be a "mutual benefit" situation. by the way, i
> use the term 'fascist' not in specific reference to neo-nazi
> extremists but instead in the sense of the classic definition: a
> marriage between an authoritarian state and a central concentration
> of corporate power. this is basically where the US has arrived; our
> system has already fallen. if we have to face a communist onslaught
> as well, then that's even more grim!
BF>Again, it is complex. There may be a number of factors here. It is conceivable
that the whole China issue is a red herring. However, I do not believe so.
>
>
> of course, it gets murky when one considers the US elites who
> supported both fascism and communism simultaneously during parts of
> the 20th century... i think it's also important to dispel the old
> myth that capitalism and communism are inherently at odds
> (economically speaking that is). just cold war propaganda. i'm
> recalling an old political cartoon from the turn of the 20th century
> (reproduced in the gurudas book) which shows karl marx shaking hands
> with an adulating crowd of wall st. bigwigs.
BF>It's a little more complicated. Don't take a political cartoon out of context.
"Communism" in the above definition owes more to H.G. Wells, the elite "Samurai"
that would rule the world, than Karl Marx. Wells bragged as much.
>
>
> and also, there are those who argue that communism is just capitalism
> taken to the ultimate extreme. in communism, the state monopolizes
> the means of production... here in the US, the supercapitalist
> corporate elite monopolize the means of production... but in the wake
> of enron, it's obvious that the corporate elite pretty much _are_ the
> state, so...are things really so distinct??
BF>The economic elite definitely are the State. Will President Bush force corporate
welfare recipients to go through what common welfare recipients are going through?
>
>
> if there is a revived communist conspiracy involving china and
> russia, is it really motivated by ideology, or by geopolitics?
BF>That's a question I cannot answer.
>
>
> since the western globalists were behind the creation of both
> communism and fascism, perhaps the NWO state would wind up with
> elements of both?
> i'll admit, i'm not an expert in these matters, but my gut instinct
> is to believe those who say that the NWO elites are more practical
> and opportunistic than ideological.
BF>Both. Look up the Tower of Babel in your Bible and see the real hidden ideology
at work.
>
>
> on a completely different topic, what might be the meaning behind the
> israel-china relationship in regards to the NWO?
>
> -b
BF>I do not believe such a relationship exists, except perhaps as a barrier to
Arabic aggression. The Chinese miscalculated when they backed the anti-Zionists and
the Mujadeen of Afghanistan against the Russians. They have as much "blow-back" as
the United States.
On the Purim issue, the "Amalek" as it manifests today is very subtle. It is
more of an evil influence in the world than any geographic location. There may be
literal Amalekite blood-lines leading to Arafat and others. They may interlock with
the occult blood-lines aka. Springmeier. However, that is not necessary to
presuppose that "Amalek" exists.
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Cliff Hume wrote:
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>
> To understand House and the socialist, Wilson, a person needs to read Philip
> Dru - Administrator, the book House wrote with the explicit instructions for
> communizing the United States of America.
>
> Read page 25 of the Communist Manifesto. All ten planks have been in place
> since these traitors put them there before we were ever born.
>
> What other reason has there ever been for government schools. They did a
> 'number' on all of us and are now in the process of destroying our children.
> For at least three years I have been advocating that the people take their
> children out of the government schools. The should be called brain-wash
> factories.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> Cliff Hume.
<snip>
BF>Well, House owed more of his ideology to H.G. Wells than to Karl Marx. He was a
"socialist", but not of the Marxian or democratic variety. For one perspective on
the difference, read John Daniel's "Scarlet and the Beast", a complex analysis that
misses the German influence but has a lot of truth within it (as well as some dis-
andor /misinformation that should not have been repeated by someone as scholarly as
Daniel). Basically, the British-American Imperial interest has always clashed with
the Grand Orient-Trotskyist influence in terms of who defines the one world
government. "Right" and "Left" basically emerge from this struggle. However, it is
complex. Environmentalism is probably more of the "Right-Wing" Anglo-American
ideology, even though it is Left-wing by popular standards. Conversely,
neo-conservatism is essentially Trotskyist, even though it is Right-wing by modern
standards. It is better to understand the covert politics involved than getting
lost in the language.
The hidden unifier here is the Tower of Babel, or the attempt to re-create
Nimrod's One World Government. The Pope believes he can do it in a Christian
manner. The socialists believe they can do it in a democratic manner. The
capitalists believe they can do it and create prosperity for all. Libertarian
capitalists believe it can be done in a manner conducive to individual freedom. I
do not judge the motives involved with any of these groups, only that there are
forces at work that none of these can ultimately control.
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So Who Are "The Hidden Ones" Who are to be revealed? My sense is that they are
the persecuted elect of God, Jewish and Gentile. It is a mystery that will be
revealed in its given time, for those who honestly want to know the Truth.
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You're insane!
I hate nobody but have a dislike for Zionists be they Jew or Christian
or atheist for that matter.
Please learn the difference between "Jews" and "Zionists".
Bill.
BF>I like Danny Pearl even more now that I know that he was a "Zionist".. However,
he made one terrible mistake. He should never have given in to the terrorists'
demands that he renounce the US of A. He should have lunged for these murderers
while he still had the chance, doing credit to the US and Israel. Unfortunately, he
was probably a liberal/neo-conservative, and as such too intellectually oriented to
see that democratic criticism of key policies is not universally understood, and is
translated as weakness in some cultures. Perhaps he opposed Western Imperialism
from a kind of journalistic Left-wing orientation, but it obviously translated in to
weakness and anti-patriotism by the thugs. I believe that no westerner should give
the murderers what they want.
I do believe in giving India more of what they want...if you get my drift.
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Commentary -- Why we few criticize Israel
By JOSEPH SOBRAN
WASHINGTON - People sometimes ask me why I'm so critical of Israel, as if
I should be devoting more of my attention to Sri Lanka, or perhaps Zaire.
But the question is always a little nervous, as it wouldn't be if I were
writing equally often about Sri Lanka or Zaire.
I could understand this curiosity if some other small, remote country were
one of the world's four or five military powers; if it received a quarter
of our foreign aid; if it were constantly on our front pages; and if its
sympathizers regularly occupied much of the op-ed space of The New York
Times and other major newspapers. But there is only one country of whom
these things are true, and that is Israel.
Nobody thinks it's odd that there should be 20 columnists who are
apologists' for Israel; but apparently it is unfathomable that there
should be one or two who are critical of Israel.
But there's another reason that is both personal and professional. Israel
has a very powerful lobby in this country, with a highly accomplished
propaganda corps. And that lobby is not content with making the case for
Israel and putting fear into nearly all the politicians in Washington, who
are supposed to be representing the interests of the United States. It
also tries to shut up opposition in the free press.
I have felt its pressure. So have Rowland Evans and Robert Novak. So has
Patrick Buchanan. And a great many newspaper editors.
We still hear of the fear engendered by Joe McCarthy. But people talked
freely about that fear even 'at the height of Sen. McCarthy's career. I
believe that someday historians will look back with more wonder about the
quieter and more paralyzing fear engendered in our own era by domestic
Zionist power. The press was never afraid of Sen. McCarthy; it is very
much afraid of Israel's U.S. sympathizers.
One result is that the news we get from Israel is heavily self censored
and bowdlerized. The average American thinks of Israel as a "democratic"
country whose domestic troubles are due to unruly Arabs. Not one American
Christian in a hundred realizes that if he lived in Israel, he would be
the victim of official discrimination forced, like the Soviet Jew, to
carry an identification card effectively stigmatizing him.
If Israeli propaganda were true, there would be no need to Quash or
intimidate critics. The very act of trying to silence opposition is a kind
of confession in itself. Ring Lardner said it well: "'Shut up,' he
explained."
Is there no case to be made for Israel? Of course there is. I have made it
myself. I would make it again -- if Israel had not become a threat to
freedom of speech and ethical debate in this country. But when you risk
injury to your career in the U.S. by defending the interests of the U.S.,
something is seriously wrong. A proper parallel is not with Joe McCarthy,
who at least was trying to uphold America's position, but with the
publishing industry in New York during the 1930s, when a book critical of
the Soviet Union stood scant chance of seeing print.
Suppression is a good tactic, but a bad strategy. In the long run, the
truth has a way of seeping through. No matter how many clever excuses you
make for a Yitzhak Shamir, it's not a terribly good idea to have Americans
identifying Israel with Yitzhak Shamir. Israel was much better off when
Americans identified Israel with Abba Eban -- now in political exile for
his moderation.
And it isn't wise, in the long run, to make Americans afraid, in their own
country, to speak their minds about a foreign country. They will
eventually resent the colossal impudence of it. And the country on whose
behalf the suppression was enacted will bear the consequences.
Joseph Sobran is a senior editor of the National Review.
Libertarian Socialist News
Post Office Box 12244
Silver Spring, MD 20908
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BF>I will not comment on the issue of religious freedom in Israel. My understanding
is that Christians and Muslims have full individual freedom. However, I do know
that kosher laws and marriage laws are enforced in ways that they are not in liberal
democracies. Israel is a middle eastern democracy, and not a western culture. It
is not indebted to Lockeanism and never claims to have been. Other than this, I
have no real comment on the issue.
However, I will comment on Libertarian Socialist News. It is neither
libertarian nor socialist, but an extension of the Communist Party. A number of
Right-wingers are stupid enough to be sucked in to the Communist rat trap. It is
sad, but I am wondering to what extent the Stalinists have an independent conspiracy
going, separate from the others, like old Fascist Joe was saying but kept getting
caught up in false leads (planted by "ex"-Communists). I wish that I could say this
was not true.
Regards,
Bates
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