-Caveat Lector- At 03:48 AM 1/3/01 -0600, Amelia wrote: >your news release is dated November 11. I posted the results of >the "investigation" recently as did a couple of others. Nothing was found >that was credible. radman says: Please repost and cite your more current sources then. I checked all your postings since the election (in ctrl archives) and there is nothing remotely close to what you allege above. As was to be expected, since the USDOJ investigators are *still in Florida gathering evidence*. HELLO!!!! This hasn't even reached the *investigation* stage yet, it is still in the *inquiry* stage. For you to claim that there was an *investigation that found nothing* is either the heighth of stupidity or deliberate misinformation on your part. Please do not continue to insult our intelligence any further on matters of public record. Also, please see, 1) "US inquiry into claims black voters were stripped of rights", below. >I am talking about real, factual >charges brought by the justice department. Crimes, rights violations. None >were found. radman says: As you asked for in your original posting, I cited names, charges, rights violations, possible crimes, ad nauseum, that are *currently being looked into*. Plenty were alleged. While they may yet be disproven is a fact. Your statement that *none were found* is a deliberate lie. Whether criminal charges get filed, or anyone gets prosecuted *remains to be seen*. That you choose to ignore reality speaks volumes about your intentions. >NOTHING to do with the riot >which was mostly reporters and not even Republicans. If only they would say >they were intimidated! <snip> >Repeat: >The committee says it was not intimidated nor frightened nor anything else >by the "riot" and it had nothing to do with their decision to stop >counting. radman says: I am not a supporter of Bush, Gore or any other politician, but you are obviously having a hard time with reality. Public record again: only *one* member of the canvassing board has made any public statement whatsoever and that was to confirm that the Republican *riot*, *protest* or whatever you care to call it, *was* a factor in stopping the recount. Perhaps not the *main* factor, but *a* factor certainly. [I quote: "One nonpartisan member of the board, David Leahy, the supervisor of elections, said after the vote that the protests were one factor that he had weighed in his decision." and "If what I'd envisioned worked out and there were no objections, we'd be up there now counting," election supervisor David Leahy said."] The other two members have said *nothing* publicly, putting to the lie your statement that "the committee says it was not intimidated". If a statement does in fact exist, please cite source. As to the *intentions* of the protesters, it was to *stop the recount*, in the words of one of your (ahem) *reporters*. From: Protest Influenced Miami-Dade's Decision to Stop Recount By DEXTER FILKINS and DANA CANEDY, New York Times, MIAMI, Nov. 23 ""We were trying to stop the recount; Bush had already won," said Evilio Cepero, a reporter for Radio Mambi. "We were urging people to come downtown and support and protest this injustice." Mr. Cepero played a key role in the protests, roaming around the building outside and, with a megaphone, addressing a crowd of perhaps 150 people. "Denounce the recount!" he shouted repeatedly." ""One hour they're telling us they're going to get it done," Luis Rosero, a Democratic aide, said of the canvassers, and "the next minute there were two riot situations and a crowd massing out in front. This was deliberate." Mr. Rosero said he had been punched and kicked by Republican supporters outside Mr. Leahy's office. Republican supporters scoffed at the accusation that they had engaged in a scheme of intimidation, saying the protest had been nothing more than a spontaneous manifestation of people's anger." Regarding this *spontaneous manifestation* (of reporters, hah!) , please see: 2) "GOP Protest in Miami-Dade Is a Well-Organized Effort: Bush Campaign Pays Tab For Aides From Capitol Hill Flown in for Rallies", and, 3) "Mobile Protesters: Party Operatives Start 'Spontaneous' Demonstrations", and, 4) "Names of Participants in Miami "Riot"", all below. Amelia says: >Stating that an investigation is going to be held >does NOT prove evidence was found. Show me the found evidence as a result >of these investigations and pages of testimony and supposed names, found >that is by those in authority to do so. Who or what agency has been charged >and with what violation? radman says: You were the one who asserted that an investigation was done and *nothing was found*. That statement is a *lie*. Whether it's deliberate or from ignorance is up to you to clarify. You can't have it both ways. Amelia says: >Sorry you went to so much trouble assembling all the old disproven >propaganda. Seems a lot of "misunderstandings" occurred. radman says: Nothing has been disproven. Again, I challenge you to provide sources. But since you can't, I guess your name has to go into my *bozo filter*. You seem so unconcerned with the facts, apparently it's a waste of my time to reply to you any further. Sincerely, the radman ==================================================== 1) US inquiry into claims black voters were stripped of rights GUARDIAN (London) Monday December 4, 2000 by Julian Borger in Tallahassee The US justice department announced yesterday that it had launched an inquiry into claims that thousands of black Floridians were stripped of their right to vote by a state government run by Governor Jeb Bush, the Republican presidential candidate's brother. The inquiry, led by the department's civil rights division, has been under way since Thursday and is focusing on allegations by black community leaders that in the run-up to the election minorities were targeted by police intimidation and administrative measures which had the effect of disproportionately disenfranchising black voters. The Washington Post reported yesterday that its computer analysis found that the more black and Democratic a precinct, the more likely it was that a high number of presidential votes were not counted. Arguments continued yesterday in a Tallahassee courtroom over the fate of disputed ballots that may decide the final outcome of the presidential election after the vice-president, Al Gore, challenged certified results awarding George W Bush victory in Florida. Yesterday, Warren Christopher, the former secretary of state leading Mr Gore's legal battle, hinted for the first time that the Democrats might be preparing to accept defeat. He said that the vice-president, "when the time comes", will "concede in a very gracious way". The certified results give Mr Bush a 537-vote lead. But this margin between the two men is potentially dwarfed by the disenfranchisement of black Floridians, who voted by a ratio of more than 10 to one for Mr Gore. The Gore campaign has so far avoided starting a legal battle over racial disenfranchisement, focusing instead on an appeal for a hand recount of votes in Democratic counties in the hope of bringing a rapid yield of sufficient votes to tilt the outcome. However, the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People (NAACP) yesterday announced that it would bring its case to court on the strength of 300 pages of testimony and 486 plaintiffs. Black leaders say voters were intimidated by police action near polling stations in several locations. In one electoral precinct, highway patrolmen set up a disruptive checkpoint on a road leading from black suburbs to a polling station. Elsewhere, police questioned black voters on the way to the polls about their criminal records, the NAACP claims. However, far more black Floridians lost their voting rights as a consequence of measures taken by the Florida state government, and in particular by Governor Bush's political lieutenant and secretary of state, Katherine Harris. In June, Ms Harris sent out a list of more than 700,000 convicts and ex-convicts deemed ineligible to vote under a 19th-century law which disqualifies felons for life. Interviews by the Guardian have confirmed that the names of many black voters were wrongly added to the list, which included ex-convicts whose rights had been restored. The wrongly disenfranchised include a black man disqualified from voting because he walked out of a community service job collecting rubbish in 1959. The man, Wallace McDonald, 64, was told he had been excluded from the electoral rolls on the grounds that he was an escaped felon. Florida leads the nation in its number of disenfranchised adults, and the zeal with which felons have been stripped of their votes has disproportionately affected black voters. Human Rights Watch estimates that 31% of black voting-age men in Florida have been disenfranchised. Thousands more black residents lost their votes on November 7 because their names had been purged from voter rolls on the basis of technicalities, such as changes of address. Several told the Guardian that they had voted regularly in federal elections, but had arrived at polling stations last month to find their names had been erased. They had the right to challenge their removal from the roll, and to enter an "affidavit ballot" confirming that they were registered in that precinct. But they were denied that opportunity in several polling stations because staff were overwhelmed by the number of disenfranchised voters. All those interviewed said that the purging of the voters' roll appear to have disproportionately affected black voters. ==================================================== 2) GOP Protest in Miami-Dade Is a Well-Organized Effort <http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB973813954697912953.htm> Bush Campaign Pays Tab For Aides From Capitol Hill Flown in for Rallies By NICHOLAS KULISH and JIM VANDEHEI Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL November 27, 2000 MIAMI -- When outraged Republicans raised a ruckus outside the Miami-Dade County elections office last week, some protesters at the door weren't local citizens. They were Capitol Hill aides on all-expenses paid trips, courtesy of the Bush campaign. Right up front on television images of the event last Wednesday were Thomas Pyle, an aide to GOP Rep. Tom DeLay, and Michael Murphy, who works for a DeLay fund-raising committee. Doug Heye from California Rep. Richard Pombo's office also was in the fray. Shortly after the door-kicking, window-banging protest, the Miami-Dade canvassing board made a sharp U-turn, suspending a recount that was expected to help Vice President Al Gore chip away at Texas Gov. George W. Bush's lead. Mr. Gore's inability to secure these votes was a key to Mr. Bush's certification as the Florida winner Sunday night. Miami-Dade canvassing-board members, while denying that the crowd cowed them, decided they couldn't complete the count by Sunday's 5 p.m. deadline without using a room that the protesters complained limited public access. Their work in Miami done, the Republicans headed to Broward County, where they joined a platoon that included about 20 other congressional staffers, who had watched the Miami-Dade commotion on CNN and wildly cheered their compatriots' televised antics. The protests grew in Fort Lauderdale, with hundreds of placard-wielding Republicans protesting the recount for several days. Sunday, some of these same staffers were involved in a confrontation with Democrats, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, in West Palm Beach. Tensions heightened momentarily as Democratic volunteers squeezed through the mob of GOP protesters to gather their campaign signs, but cooler heads prevailed. Behind the rowdy rallies in South Florida this past weekend was a well-organized effort by Republican operatives to entice supporters to South Florida. The protests drew angry denunciations from top Democrats, with several congressmen requesting a Justice Department inquiry. Vice-presidential candidate Joe Lieberman said the "orchestrated demonstrations ... were clearly designed to intimidate and to prevent a simple count of votes from going forward." Bush operatives deny trying to intimidate. But they readily acknowledge that shortly after Election Day they began recruiting Republicans nationwide to come to the three predominantly Democratic South Florida counties then considering manual recounts. The biggest contingent appears to have hailed from within the marbled walls of the Capitol complex in Washington. "Because we were heavily outnumbered in these counties, we called people from around the country," says Terry Holt, a communications director with the Republican National Committee. Democrats "may not need volunteers," he quips. "They've got judges" on local election canvassing boards. Democrats have organizers down here, too, and they were the first to hit the streets. The Rev. Jesse Jackson flew to West Palm Beach shortly after the election to lead a protest against the confusing "butterfly ballot," prompting conservative commentator Mary Matalin to dub attendees "rent-a-rioters." Democrats say they haven't flown staffers or operatives down to Florida to protest, and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. This has allowed Republicans to quickly gain the upper-hand, protest-wise. In Washington, several GOP aides say the office of Mr. DeLay, the House Republican whip, took charge of the effort on Capitol Hill, passing on an offer many staffers couldn't refuse: free air fare, accommodations and food in the Sunshine State -- all paid for by the Bush campaign. Aides who accepted took advantage of liberal congressional workplace rules that allow them to jump from government jobs to political tasks at a moment's notice by declaring themselves on vacation or temporary leave. "Once word leaked out, everybody wanted in," says one GOP operative involved in the effort. Participants estimate that more than 200 staffers signed on, some spending more than a week in South Florida. Many stayed in Hiltons by the beach and received $30 a day for food, as well as an invitation to an exclusive Thanksgiving Day party in Fort Lauderdale. "They needed help down there," says GOP Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri. "A lot of people in Washington wanted to be a part of that." He adds that the collaboration has fostered a new sense of unity between congressional Republicans and Mr. Bush, who often ignored Washington Republicans during the campaign to bolster his outsider image. "The unfairness of [the Democrats' recount] effort has really brought Republicans together," the congressman said. The camaraderie was on full display at the glitzy Thanksgiving night party featuring free food and libations at the Hyatt on Pier 66 in Fort Lauderdale -- "a festive family mood," says one protester. Entertainer Wayne Newton crooned the song "Danke Schoen," until a group of frenzied female fans rushed the stage. The night's highlight was a conference call from Mr. Bush and running mate Dick Cheney, which included joking references by both running mates to the incident in Miami, two staffers in attendance say. But that was a rare break from the action. Often working 16- or 20-hour days, the congressional worker bees initially monitored recounts, attended news conferences and did other gofer tasks. Kyle Downey, 26 years old, an aide to Oklahoma Rep. J.C. Watts, assisted GOP lawyers in Broward County one day and escorted former presidential candidate Bob Dole around South Florida the next. "This is history," says Mr. Downey, explaining his decision to come. "I don't see how I could ever come across something like this ever in my lifetime." Staffers who joined the effort say there has been an air of mystery to the operation. "To tell you the truth, nobody knows who is calling the shots," says one aide. Many nights, often very late, a memo is slipped underneath the hotel-room doors outlining coming events. On Friday night, one aide received notice that he and his colleagues were welcome to stay in South Florida until "further notice." Bush spokeswoman Mindy Tucker declines to estimate how much the operation will cost or exactly how many people have been enticed to Florida. Others say about 750 people have rotated in and out. This weekend, few were still involved in the somber recount-monitoring of the early days. "All we are doing is rallying and protesting," says one GOP aide. "We are blowing the Democrats away." Bush supporters sometimes outnumbered Gore backers by 10 to one outside the Broward County Courthouse in the Democrat-leaning community. A block to the north, a recreational vehicle festooned with Bush-Cheney signs served as operation central, having recently been transferred from similar duty in Miami. Not all out-of-state demonstrators came from Washington. Several New York Republicans paid for their own plane tickets, while the Bush-Cheney campaign footed the hotel bill. "They told me to send an invoice for our bills, and I told them we need the check by Sunday night, in case he loses," jokes one of them. Rick Nelson, a vascular surgeon from Oklahoma City, recalls arriving in Miami and being told by a GOP official that he and several other volunteers were going to become protesters. "Okay, we've never done this before," Mr. Nelson recalls the operative saying. "Anybody know how to put together a protest?" ==================================================== 3) Mobile Protesters <http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/ELECTION_protests001124.html> Party Operatives Start 'Spontaneous' Demonstrations ABCNEWS Friday, November 24, 2000 Nov. 24 — In an apparent exercise of spontaneous public outrage, demonstrators surged through the county office building in Miami-Dade County Wednesday, demanding an end to the hand recount there. The shouting demonstrators, accusing Democratic election officials of taking the count behind closed doors, contributed to one election supervisor's vote to end the hand recount. Protesters try to stop Miami recounts. "If what I'd envisioned worked out and there were no objections, we'd be up there now counting," election supervisor David Leahy said. But that demonstration, ABCNEWS has learned, wasn't spontaneous, nor was it local. It was an organized Republican Party protest, run by 75 party operatives out of a headquarters in a motor home in Miami. Now the operatives and their motor home are in Broward County, where a manual recount is still going on. "There are paid political operatives from out of state who have come down to South Florida" and helped stop the recount in Miami, said Congressman Peter Deutsch, D-Fla. "I think we need to immediately have a federal investigation of this attempt to stop a fair and accurate count." But Republican Party lawyer Theodore Olson told ABCNEWS' Good Morning America he thought the protests were part of the democratic process. "If citizens of the United States are voluntarily objecting to the process where the rules change, and where Democratic officials take these ballots behind closed doors where they can't be observers, I think American citizens are entitled to do that sort of thing," Olson said. Motor Home Heads North The motor home showed up at 8 a.m. today near the Broward county courthouse, where a hand recount of votes is going on. They came in honking and shouting, and about 100 people poured out of it and other vehicles to start a demonstration. Some were recognized by reporters as the same people from the "spontaneous" Miami demonstration. A smaller group of about 40 Republican protesters is marching outside the recount in Palm Beach County, but they don't seem to be from the Miami motor home. In Miami, they said they were there to help the media. "We provide a service for you, for our surrogates who you want to speak to," one operative said when approached by ABCNEWS. But they also got directly involved in leading demonstrations, and were even willing to dress up in seasonal outfits to provide so-called protester color for local news reports. Operatives said they were from all over the country, including Washington, D.C., and New York. With security much heavier in Broward than Miami-Dade, the protesters are staying put outside the building. From their position outside the building, the protesters would have to pass several layers of police protection, take two elevators and walk several hundred feet inside the building to get to the recount site. Protester-free, the recount is continuing quietly in a room in the north wing of the courthouse. Democrats seem to be laying low at the Broward protests, though they've been flying their own operatives in by the dozens daily. They're relying on local sheriffs to keep order, Democrats said. Deutsch said Democrats were "using the rule of law in the United States of America to try and correct" what he described as "the efforts of the out-of-state paid political mob." ABCNEWS' Steve Osunsami, Bill Redeker and ABCNEWS.com's Sascha Segan contributed to this story. ==================================================== 4) Names of Participants in Miami "Riot" From: Rich Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is some information that solves another mystery... Several of you asked which congressional aides had been positively ID'ed as having participated in the anti-recount protest. Here is a compilation from one of our readers. >From: "Matthew Goldsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RNC hooligans barnstorm their way -- "DeLay's 'Texas-style' >combat": elegant "democracy" from a former exterminator . . . . >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:43:59 -0800 > >1. Tom Pyle, policy analyst, office of House Majority Whip Tom DeLay >(R-Tex.). >2. Garry Malphrus, majority chief counsel and staff director, House >Judiciary subcommittee on criminal justice. >3. Rory Cooper, political division staff member at the National Republican >Congressional Committee. >4. Kevin Smith, former House Republican conference analyst and more recently >of Voter.com. >5. Steven Brophy, former aide to Sen. Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.), now >working at the consulting firm KPMG. >6. Matt Schlapp, former chief of staff for Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), now on >the Bush campaign staff in Austin. >7. Roger Morse, aide to Rep. Van Hilleary (R-Tenn.). >8. Duane Gibson, aide to Chairman Don Young (R-Alaska) of the House >Resources Committee. >9. Chuck Royal, legislative assistant to Rep. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.). >10. Layna McConkey, former legislative assistant to former Rep. Jim Ross >Lightfoot (R-Iowa), now at Steelman Health Strategies. > >http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20070-2000Dec3.html > >http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30170-2000Dec5.html > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35088-2000Dec6.html > >http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,89544,00.html ==================================================== <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. 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