-Caveat Lector- I can't begin to tell y'all on this new list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] how delighted I am to see such "salt and light" with its own Internet list. But of course, dogmatism, bigotry and lies have no place for another point of view so, being the assholes you are, you won't post anything from me. "White Culture"? Hmmm. Wasn't it a bunch of white guys wearing bed sheets who crucified the followers of Christ in the Arenas of Rome for 300 years AD in the "Ten Great Persecutions" set out by Eusebius (Historia Ecclesiastica, ca. 300 AD)? Those followers of Christ who is Truth personified were from all races. Eusebius tells us the story of how the region called Iraq to-day under King Agbarus became the first "officially" Christian country. Ernie Zundel and the other "Christie Critters" make their great whine and lament for "truth" until someone reminds them that truth is many-faceted and their few narrow opinions and axes to grind are not the whole scoop. Nisga'a or one its neighbours like Nuxalk could become a Sovereign Nation in BC. And maybe y'all, led by David Duke can eke out a living on a "Reserve" set on one of these nations. See http://www.inac.gc.ca . The right to develop muncipalities is now recognized as within FN jurisdiction. The powerhouses of the world are the cities. So that is all they need to go ahead towards full sovereignty and independence if that is what they want. But to ask a bunch of honky bigots what a model city of today would be like? Forget it! FWP. http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex http://www.alternatives.com/fc http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology-EEL -----Original Message----- From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 12:59 PM Subject: [BCPolitics] Fw: more views on the Nisga'a treaty >From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >And now, of course, Mr. Scott, we find out why your ever so "democratic" >caucus does not want a BC-wide initiative on Nisga'a under the 1996 >Initiative and Recall Act. That would spoil the master plan of Reform which >is to use direct democracy as a smokescreen behind which racism, bigotry and >a lot of other garbage has a chance to come to fruition. >FWP. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Rynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 12:10 PM >Subject: more views on the Nisga'a treaty > > >>It was interesting to hear that the mayors of Terrace and Prince Rupert >>support the treaty. >> >>Paul Rynard >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>416-469-4315 >> >>Nisga'a treaty backers outnumber foes at hearing: Themayors of Terrace and >>Prince Rupert are among thosevoicing support for the historic pact as a >>Commonscommittee holds hearings in northwestern B.C. -- [The Vancouver >Sun - >>Tue 16 Nov 1999] >>PUBLICATION The Vancouver Sun >>DATE Tue 16 Nov 1999 >>SECTION/CATEGORY News >>PAGE NUMBER B8 >>BYLINE Jeff Nagel >> HEADLINE: Nisga'a treaty backers outnumber foes at hearing: The mayors >>of Terrace and Prince Rupert are among those voicing support for the >>historic pact as a Commons committee holds hearings in northwestern B.C. >> TERRACE -- Native people and their supporters outnumbered opponents >>Monday among the more than 80 people who showed up for hearings on the >>Nisga'a treaty by the House of Commons standing committee on aboriginal >>affairs. >> Terrace resident Noel Martel said many locals feel there's little point >>opposing a treaty at hearings by a committee that he said the Liberals have >>stacked with treaty supporters. >> ``It's a done deal,'' he said. >> Martel and others also said they are reluctant to be identified as >>opposed to the treaty. >> ``If you say anything you're a redneck,'' Martel said. >> ``Nobody wants to come out for fear of being called a bigot,'' added >>local resident Michelle Rodger. ``I don't want to insult my native friends >>either -- I'm not racist, but I have concerns about this treaty.'' >> The agreement gives the Nisga'a $253 million in cash, 2,000 square >>kilometres in northwestern British Columbia, a say in resource development >>in their region and local self-government. >> It has been approved by the Nisga'a in a referendum and passed by the >>B.C. legislature. >> The federal government introduced the treaty in Parliament at the >>beginning of this session but it has come under fire from the Reform party. >> Reform and other critics argue the treaty is unconstitutional because >it >>creates a third order of government without amending the Constitution. >> Monday's hearing was told by local mayors that area residents are ready >>to move forward with the treaty and focus on its implementation. >> Terrace Mayor Jack Talstra said there are mixed feelings about the >>treaty in Terrace, but he argued it will bring certainty and finality. >> ``We believe in the Nisga'a treaty and we believe the focus should now >>be on implementation,'' he said. ``The people who are opposed to the treaty >>continue to behave in a condescending manner to the aspirations of the >>Nisga'a people.'' >> Prince Rupert Mayor Jack Mussallem said his city also backs the treaty, >>although there are concerns about its effects on the forest and fishing >>industries. >> ``The majority of people are in favour of it,'' he said. ``We work >>together. We play together. we enjoy this country and its resources >>together.'' >> The lone treaty opponent the committee heard from was Frank Barton, a >>Nisga'a man born in Kincolith who now lives in Richmond. >> Barton maintains most of the Kincolith traditional lands didn't make it >>into the treaty because the village was sold out by the Nisga'a leadership, >>who he says proceeded with the treaty and its ratification without proper >>internal authority. >> ``This is not fair to the 1,700 band members of the Kincolith band,'' >he >>said. >> One local man's attempt to ask a question of the committee was shut >down >>by Liberal MP John O'Reilly, who said: ``We're only in B.C. because of a >>tactic by the Reform party to hijack it. This little song and dance is >>costing taxpayers $500,000.'' >> Skeena Reform MP Mike Scott, who urged locals in advance to make their >>voices heard, said Terrace is so close to the treaty area and the Nisga'a >>that many people in the city are uncomfortable about opposing it. >> ``People feel that regardless of what happens we're all neighbours >>here,'' he said. ``There's concern that the community is going to be able >to >>stay united down the road.'' >> He said he didn't expect open protests or picketing here, but added >that >>is much more likely at the committee's next stop today in Smithers. >> John Jensen, a Terrace labour activist and long-time supporter of the >>treaty, said opinion on the treaty in Terrace remains evenly divided, >>although the economic benefits are undeniable. >> ``The merchants of this town should be dancing in the streets,'' Jensen >>said. >> ``A considerable amount of money is going to be spent in this place. >The >>Nisga'a are not going to go to Mexico and start up sweatshops there. >They're >>going to spend the money here.'' >> >> > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! 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