-Caveat Lector- ----- Original Message ----- From: TARGETS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:20 PM Subject: Invited Lawyers Await 'Permission' to See Milosevic > The URL for this article is http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/tremb.htm > > Send this article to a friend! > > www.tenc.net > [Emperor's Clothes] > > Invited Lawyers Await 'Permission' to See Milosevic > by Jared Israel [7 July 2001] > > I caught up with the lawyers Chris Black and Andre Tremblay yesterday by > phone. President Slobodan Milosevic had requested to see them so they flew > to the Netherlands on Thursday and are now waiting for officials at the > 'War Crimes Tribunal' to approve their visit. They should have an answer > Monday at noon, Dutch time. (1) > > The trip has received much coverage, some accurate, some not. Mr. Black > said the 'Toronto Star' had entirely misquoted him, misrepresenting the > reason for his trip to The Hague, making it sound as if he wanted to > pressure President Milosevic. Said ChrisBlack: > > "The Committee to Defend Milosevic and its lawyers have nothing but > admiration for what Mr. Milsoevic did during his confrontation with the > Tribunal and we are going to the Hague to help him any way he sees fit." > > The BBC (pleasant surprise!) got the story right: > > "Two Canadian lawyers are travelling to the International War Crimes > Tribunal at The Hague at the request of the former Yugoslav President > Slobodan Milosevic. > > "The lawyers are part of an international support committee that considers > Mr Milosevic a political prisoner. > > "Formed in Berlin in March, the International Committee to Defend Slobodan > Milosevic is made up of 200 lawyers, writers and intellectuals. > > "One of the lawyers, Christopher Black, said he was going there on behalf > of the group to see the conditions of Mr Milosevic's detention and discuss > any legal matters he wished to raise. > > "At his first appearance at the tribunal earlier this week, the former > Yugoslav leader declined to ask for defence lawyers and refused to enter a > plea on war crimes charges.... > > "Mr Black, accompanied by his colleague Andre Tremblay, refused to > speculate about whether they would eventually represent Mr Milosevic." (BBC > News, July 6, 2001) > > Things are not always handled so objectively. Here's a report I wrote about > an interview the BBC had with Chris Black on July 3rd. > > CHRIS BLACK, ABANDONED > > It's a Free World unless you're too free with your opinions. Chris Black > reports on an interview with the BBC, 9AM Greenwich Mean Time. > > Black: I had a discussion with the producer two hours before the interview. > Everything seemed OK. When the program comes on, I don't recall the > gentleman's name, but he was taking a very strong pro-NATO view. > > Israel: That's no gentleman. > > Chris: It starts with a lead-in. There's some Serbian person they found to > trash Milosevic and say he has to answer for his 'crimes'. The usual. And > then the Serb says, "All Serbs are responsible because we voted for him." > > That seemed to me a very dangerous sentiment. First the assertion of > crimes. He offered nothing to back it up but people would think, "It's a > Serb saying this, so it must be true." And then his clincher: all Serbs are > guilty. He says, "We shouldn't believe in collective responsibility." But > then he says, "All Serbs are responsible." > > So then they jump to me and the BBC guys says, "So Mr. Black do you think > he's going to get a fair trial at the Tribunal?" > > And I told him bluntly, "No," and explained why: "It's a NATO court, its > purpose is to justify NATO's flagrant aggression." > > And then he cuts in and says, "Surely you would admit that there are crimes > he has to answer for?" > > The 'surely' is where you're expected to cave; the pressure is for you to > say, "Well of course I'm not saying that!" But I said. "No. Nobody has seen > any evidence." > > And he said, "Oh come on now, there is massive evidence proving his guilt. > It's all been proven in the media. We've had it on the BBC." > > And I said, "That's fluff. There's nothing solid to back it up. If they had > anything solid they would have produced it by now. It's all fabrications > that disappear when you examine them." > > And he said, "How can you make such a sweeping statement like that?" > > And I said, "Just as you made your sweeping statement, I have a right to > make my own sweeping statement. The purpose of this court is to justify > NATO's aggression against Yugoslavia to their own domestic populations. To > justify that NATO had the right to bomb this poor country." > > And he said, "But surely you would agree he can get a fair hearing!" > > And I said, 'But surely I would not agree. He's been convicted in advance." > > And he said "How? How can you say that? These are only charges, > allegations. There's been no presumption of guilt. Who has convicted him?" > > And I said, "He has been convicted in the media." > > He said: "How can you say that?" > > I said: "You said it." > > He said: "When?" > > I said: "One minute ago. You asked me how I could deny he's guilty when > it's all been proven right in the media. Including the BBC. Your words." > > That was when the phone went "Click" and there was 15 seconds of silence > and then a woman came on and said, "Well thank you, then. Good bye." > > Jared: That's it? Not even flowers? > > Chris: Nothing. > > Jared: I told you he was no gentleman. > > -- End of report on BBC interview. > > AND EXACTLY WHAT WOULD YOU BE DISCUSSING WITH MR. MILOSEVIC? > > Though President Milosevic had requested the meeting with Chris Black and > Andre Tremblay, they had to apply to the 'Tribunal', fill out forms, go > through an interview. A 'Tribunal' official asked Chris Black what he, > Tremblay and Milosevic might be planning to discuss. Black pointed out that > such a question violates the lawyer-client relationship. The official > argued that since the President was defending himself, he did not need to > see lawyers. Chris responded that regardless of how President Milosevic is > dealing with the 'Tribunal,' he has the right to consult legal counsel or > anyone else he wishes. Just because he has chosen not to register any > lawyers to represent him at the 'Tribunal,' because of his opinion of that > body, does not mean he can't talk to attorneys. > > ANDRE TREMBLAY > > I spoke to Chris again this morning (Eastern U.S. time) and also for the > first time talked to the legal scholar, Andre Tremblay. > > Tremblay is Professor of Law at University of Montreal. This month he > addressed the European Parliament, delivering a scathing critique of The > Hague 'Tribunal.' Like Black, Tremblay has been defending officials of the > former Rwandan government, which has been jailed en masse by the Rwandan > 'War Crimes Tribunal,' sister to the one holding Milosevic. > > The current Rwandan government, which began as a military force trained and > armed by the U.S., has no legal problems with the 'Tribunal.' Yet many > experts say its leaders and their U.S. sponsors bear overwhelming > responsibility for past and current violence in Rwanda. But that's a whole > other nightmare... (3) > > I asked Mr. Tremblay to describe his work and he said, "I defend poor > people, the ones who are abused, the oppressed." About the kidnapping and > 'trial' of Mr. Milosevic, he said: > > "It is just the beginning. It's going to be a long fight. The President is > in a very very good spirit and he is a man ready to fight. We do not fear > and he does not fear at all - for we are telling the truth. " > > Chris Black says other Serbian prisoners being held in the 'Tribunal' "have > been electrified by Milosevic's resistance." > > -- JI > > *** > > Further Reading: > > 1) To see/hear Committee to Defend Milosevic lawyer Chris Black on CBC TV, > go to http://cbc.ca/clips/ram-newsworld/kelley_black010704.ram > > 2) Regarding the demonization of Milosevic, please see "KLA Attacks > Everyone. Media Attacks...Miloshevich?" by Jared Israel at > http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/expan.htm > > 3) The Rwanda Tribunal is the subject of the article, 'One-Sided Justice At > The Rwanda Tribunal' . That 'Tribunal' is also discussed in For Whom the > Bell Tolls by Jared Israel. The background of the situation in Rwanda is > discussed in the interview, 'A Murder in Congo' . The URLs for these > articles are > > http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/rwanda.htm > http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/tolls.htm > http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/congo.htm > > 4) One critical question of evidence is: What did Mr. Milosevic say? Did he > exhort Serbs to commit hate crimes, as the Western media claim? Or did he > preach ethnic cooperation and unity against NATO? You won't find out from > the mass media, which manages to attack what he 'said' without quoting a > word. 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