-Caveat Lector- Jackson Decries Civil Rights Violations, Places Blame on Jeb Bush Human Events December 11, Washington D.C.—Almost an hour after oral arguments in Bush v. Gore ended, while crowds chanted and shouted in front of the U.S. Supreme Court, Rev. Jesse Jackson exited the court grounds on the Maryland Avenue side of the building. Jackson stopped to address reporters, and then answered some questions. In this exchange, he told Human Events reporters that he thinks Jeb Bush is responsible for a concerted effort to disenfranchise blacks. Below is a transcript of the encounter: Jackson: There are several questions for me. One, is the court so political that it’s mind is already made up; that’s a real question. Justice Scalia’s son is a lawyer who works for Bush. On today’s internet Justice’s Thomas’s wife is recruiting staff members for Bush who works for Heritage Foundation. So is the court so predisposed politically that the arguments don’t matter is a very real question. I hope the court rises above the political partisanship, and chooses the Republic over Republicans, and the democracy over Democrats, and makes that kind of decision. It maybe the biggest decision of this sort since the 1857 Dred Scott decision, or the 1896 Plessy v. Ferguson, so it’s a huge decision to be made today. Second, is that they kept asking for uniformity of remedy, but you don’t have uniform procedures, by county. If University of Florida plays Florida State in football, or they play the University of Miami, all the football fields are 100 by 50. The playing field is even, the rules are public, the goals are clear, so you have uniform standards. But in the state of Florida, standards vary from county to county, and indeed African-Americans were targeted, 80 percent of those are in discussion are really African American voters, who were targeted, only African Americans were stopped by police as they sought to vote, and as they were asked for their ID cards and for their driver’s licenses. Eight thousand people, mostly African Americans were sent, notices that they were felons by Mrs. Harris, a private firm from Texas, none of them were, some were misdemeanors, and some had not been arrested at all, or within the black community, you had the most broken-down machinery. We know the pattern of who was in fact targeted, during the campaign. Lastly, will the courts honor the intent of the voter? The Republicans made two arguments last Friday. They said, in Seminole honor the intent of the voter, and in Miami-Dade, they said honor the machine, so they got to the fork in the road, and they chose the fork. They really must honor the intent of the voter. There will not be a legitimate winner unless the voters determine who that winner is. The courts must not take unto themselves to make that determination, the voters must determine the winner. If you govern with the consent of the governed, that’s democratic. But if in fact we are governed without our consent, we are being ruled. And that’s despotism. We want democracy, not despotism. Reporter: From the way the proceedings went, do you think Mr. Gore has a chance of winning this case? Jackson: He certainly has a chance, but the assumption would be that their minds are already made up, for example, Justices O’Connor and Kennedy raised very challenging questions to the Bush lawyers at the very outset. That could suggest that they at least have been thinking about the process. Scalia challenged over and over the Gore lawyers, and Clarence Thomas more or less mused through it all, he had nothing to say. He was really a spectator. But the biggest spectator was the Department of Justice, they have abdicated their job. The Department of Justice had a role to play, they were absent, when 80 percent of those in question were black voters, the Department of Justice took a hike. Mother Liberty was blindfolded today, and closemouthed, and should have had something to say. Human Events: Do you think there was actually a concerted effort to take away the votes of blacks? Jackson: Absolutely! You can document it, you can look at where, who got disenfranchised, the quantity, and who, from Liberty City, to Broward, to Lakeland, to Rivera Beach, Orlando, to inner city Jacksonville, most of those disenfranchised were African Americans Students at Florida A&M, Bethune-Cookman, Edward Waters went to vote, with registration in their hands, their name not on the polls. 80 percent were African American. And you had the Holocaust survivors in the West Palm area, who pushed the button for Gore and they got Buchanan, they didn’t mean to do that, that was a violation, of them for example. And so, in Duval County, 27,000 ballots were thrown away, they were held back until the protest period was over, in fact. And so, if this were Yugoslavia, and at the end, Milosevic was losing, you got to the last state where Milosevic’s brother was the governor, and in that state the machinery broke down, and he won by the margin of machination in his brother’s state, we would be slow to certify that election, it would not pass the smell test. HE: So do you think Jeb Bush intentionally disenfranchised of black voters? Jackson: No doubt about it that Jeb Bush was a major factor in the Florida breakdown. He sent out for example absentee ballots over his name and state seal. That was illegal. Mrs. Harris sent out to 8000 blacks, that they were felons. Well, the fact is, none of them were felons. Some were misdemeanors. And some had no arrests at all. It was a very targeted violation, and so in a democracy, you can afford to lose an election, you win some, you lose some; you can’t afford to lose your franchise. And that’s why if this decision goes down as it should go, the voters will determine the winner. But if in fact, we lose this case, our civil rights struggle will expand. We will not surrender our right to vote, our citizenship or our dignity. We will not go backwards in our quest to affirm our citizenship. . . . In some sense we will lose our moral authority to judge elections around the world, and we’re less able to say to China, or to say to Europeans and Africans, "here’s how elections are supposed to go". The Bush forces may have short term pleasure, given a long term pain to our country. This is not the way to conduct an election, they should be open, free, fair and transparent, and credible. This one does not meet those standards. HE: You don’t think it’s a very serious charge to charge Jeb Bush with civil rights violations? Jackson: It’s a very serious charge, and an accurate charge. It’s serious, but accurate. HE: So do you want the DOJ to investigate him? Jackson: He took the position, you know against affirmative action. You know, sons of inheritance, attack sons of daughters of achievement, and they should understand, and they seemingly do not understand. You know, Bush makes a lot of how much he loves veterans. He could have been a veteran, but he dodged the war. He could have been a veteran. I love veterans, my father was one. Came back to America, and did not have the same rights that the Nazi POW’s had. I love veterans. I went to Syria and brung an American veteran back home from jail. I went to Iraq, and brought 600 veterans wives back from jail. I went to Yugoslavia and brought Americans home who were under Milosevic. And so, we love veterans, the issue here today, is shall we honor the intent of every American voter? The veterans, the military votes should have counted. Holocaust survivors, all those votes should have counted because that way you have a legitimate winner. I can live under Bush if he is a legitimate winner. That’s not the issue. In America, you win some, you lose some. The issue here is will our democracy have legitimacy, by honoring the integrity of the voter? You can’t say that a holocaust survivor punched two, for Gore and got Buchanan, and say, "well, your pain, my gain, I’m your leader." You can’t say to the Haitian boat people, "well, you can’t read and write well, but tough, you should go to Yale, like me. Tough." That’s not the spirit of democracy. HE: Do you think it’s appropriate to make this entirely racial issue talking about Jews, and whites, and Haitians, etc? Jackson: It’s not entirely, but I can tell you, I know who was targeted, because I’ve been there, I understand it, you see? I worked in with in Boca Raton with the Holocaust survivors who wept bitterly because they ended up voting for Pat Buchanan. He said it wasn’t his vote, and they said it was not their vote, and so, the Jewish factor is real, because they said it’s real. . . . Students at Florida A&M, Bethune Cookman, Edward Waters who went to vote with their registration card in their hand and their name was not on the roles. And so, this is not about "chadism", that’s abstract, this isn’t about dimples. It’s about people who really are Americans that didn’t have their right to vote honored. Yesterday, the Redskins played Dallas. Redskin fans are disappointed they lost, but not in an angry sense, because they know the playing field was even. But if in Dallas, the Dallas players had to get 8 yards for a first down, and the Redskins had to get 12 yards for a first down, they’d still be fighting. When the playing field is even, and the rules are public, and the goals are clear, we can accept winner or loser. But here what were we’re talking about is that the playing field has not been even. We deserve better. . . . Jackson: Gore believes he won this campaign, so he says "count". Bush believes Gore won, so he says, "Don’t count." It should come down to finally who was eligibly counted? Do you choose the people or the machines? You get groceries at the store. And if there are 200 dollars worth of groceries on the counter, and it comes out all zeroes. You don’t walk away with groceries. If it comes out all zeroes again, you don’t put ‘em back, you do a hand count, that’s what you do. You go to the airport, and you take all your stuff out, and the machine doesn’t work, and they do it again. And of course! That’s the law in Texas, the law in Florida. So a bold attempt to take from people their franchise, is ugly. I can live under Bush winning, I can’t live under Bush stealing. We must not give legitimacy to an illegitimate attempt here to take away America’s honor. I travel a lot around the world. One of the great things I do around the world, is to certify elections. You know, in South Africa, in Asia, in Europe. Were are less able today to certify elections. We can’t go to China and speak with moral authority. We are less able to challenge Castro in Cuba now. We are less able to challenge Bosnia now. Because we are paying a big price just to win. My fear is short term pleasure, long-term pain. We’ve got to fight to save our country. We must also do so with integrity. You can’t build trust around blatant dishonesty. HE: Sir, who specifically do you think was intimidating black voters in Florida? Jackson: Who do you write for? HE: Human Events. Jackson: Alright. In some places, police were stopping blacks at the polls, within the polling area, asking for their driver’s license and their ID cards. That happened. In some other instances, blacks were in the area where you had the oldest machines that broke down, they did not have affidavits there. In other instances studentsin Florida A&M, Daytona Beach, Bethune-Cookman, and Edward Waters in Jacksonville, went to vote, and had in their hand voter registration cards, and their names not on the polls. That happened. In Jacksonville, you had one ballot in the paper, another ballot in the booth. So if you honored the procedure you were eliminated. HE: Who do you think was giving the orders to do this stuff? Jackson: Well, all of this is under the watch of the Governor Jeb Bush, and on the watch of Mrs. Harris. The Republican machinery, the Governor, the Secretary Of State, the state legislature, someone is responsible. The state government is responsible for administering elections. HE: So, Jeb Bush ordered police to intimidate black voters to keep them from voting? Jackson: It is under his watch, therefore, he is responsible its under his watch. You can set a cultural climate, where you set the spirit that flows. But the buck stops somewhere. That’s what leaders must do. When the stuff got thick, Jeb left the state and went on vacation, and left James Baker speaking for the state. Unknown reporter: In the new Congress, what do you see will happen? Do you think we’re going to take the gloves off? Jackson: I hope it’s not that ugly but, you know, Tom DeLay, and Trent Lott, sent staff members down to Miami-Dade to intimidate those who were counting. Now, that’s a bit far for seasoned congress people to go to alter the outcome of an election. 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