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Interview with a Prosecutor
By interview by John Buchanan
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 2, October 24, 2003
Buchanan - What do you think is the true significance of the story in the
New Hampshire Gazette?
Loftus - Your story, the first in a "reputable" US newspaper in 60 years,
redeemed my two decades of work that only resulted in the mainstream media
slamming doors in my face, despite my credentials as a Justice Department
Nazi war crimes prosecutor. I give a lot of credit to the courage of the New
Hampshire Gazette as well, for practicing journalism as it should be
practiced - tell the truth and let the facts speak for themselves.
Buchanan - How do you explain the fact that the mainstream media has simply
refused to touch it?
Loftus - It's a complex story and the media hate that now in the age of the
sound bite headline. It's also unpopular and frightening to most people,
understandably. But the truth about this period of our history as a nation
must come out and be dealt with. You and the Gazette have helped to
accomplish that. It will come out now, I think.
Buchanan - What is the importance of it coming out, in your view?
Loftus - Your stories will be the crack in the dam and it will come flooding
out. For 60 years, it has been a huge cover-up of the activities of some of
the people who brought us the worst grief in the history of the world - the
Holocaust. This country needs to understand which of its most prominent
families supported Hitler, even after the US went to war with Germany.
Buchanan - Can you offer a good example?
Loftus - Joseph Kennedy bought his Nazi stocks from Prescott Bush. The
British thought Kennedy was guilty of treason because his code clerk was
tried in London as a Nazi agent and convicted.
Buchanan - How do you account for the failure of the media to break this
story before the Gazette did?
Loftus - My feeling is that about 15 years ago, when big corporations
started taking over media companies that had been privately owned by
families or individuals, we ended up with an over-worked but
well-intentioned media without the staff or resources, in light of all the
corporate cost-cutting that was done, to look into the really big stories.
The real enemy is the multinational corporations who are only interested in
profits and choose profits over truth.
Buchanan - What can be done about that?
Loftus - We need to educate the media.
Buchanan - Should Prescott Bush, George Herbert Walker and the Harrimans
have been tried for treason?
Loftus - Yes, they should have been tried for treason, because they
continued to support Hitler after the US entered the war. As a former
prosecutor, I could have made that case.
Buchanan - What do you think their true motives were in betraying their
country for profit?
Loftus - It was a perfect example of spin, before the term was even
invented. Their goal was that no matter which side won the war, their
international industrial cartel would survive and prosper. They had a
perfect set-up - a bank in New York (UBC), one in Holland (Bank voor Handel
en Scheepvaart), and one in Germany (August Thyssen Bank). They were
prepared for anything that could have happened. They wanted to avoid exactly
what happened to Fritz Thyssen after WWI. That was the whole point. He had
lost many of his major businesses, and they came up with a better way to
prepare for the Second World War.
Buchanan - How did they manage the cover-up after the first seizures in 1942
and continue with their dealings until 1951, when Thyssen died in Argentina?
Loftus - They brought in John Foster Dulles and Sullivan and Cromwell, and
his brother Allen in Europe. The Dulles brothers put into effect a cloaking
arrangement' that was reflected in the records of Brown Brothers Harriman.
There was one account - Brown Brothers Schroeder Rock - that was a cloaking
account at Schroeder Bank. The Rock was the Rockefellers.
Buchanan - What were they most guilty of after the US entered the war?
Loftus - They shipped gold through axis countries after the US entered the
war. That certainly was treason, because it gave aid and comfort to the
enemy and assisted them economically.
Buchanan - Why would they do that - take that chance of facing execution for
treason if caught?
Loftus - They were afraid Britain would lose the war and they were
protecting themselves.
Buchanan - If there is information like that to be uncovered still, what do
you propose?
Loftus - I want a full Congressional investigation and I think your
reporting in the Gazette certainly justifies one. I want the cover-up itself
investigated, and I want the long-concealed Nazi histories of these families
brought out to the public.
Buchanan - Who should investigate?
Loftus - Now that this information has finally come out, I am calling for
full investigations by both the House and Senate Judiciary committees. We'll
see where it goes from there. But I want the cover-up fully and aggressively
investigated. The American people and Congress have a right to find out how
this happened, to make sure it never happens again. It's too late for
justice, but it's never too late for the truth. The American people and
survivors of the Holocaust and veterans of the war are entitled to the
truth.
Buchanan - Why hasn't it come out before?
Loftus - President Clinton wanted all the Nazi files declassified, but it
didn't happen fast enough. Some of the documents you saw on I.G. Farben were
only declassified a few days before you walked into the archives. You were
very lucky, I'd say.
Buchanan - What is the most damning single thing you've learned in your 20
years of working on this?
Loftus - That it wasn't just the Nazis. The Harrimans backed a
Communist-Soviet front of international trade and they sold the Czar's gold
to support the Bolsheviks and fund the Russian Revolution. W. Averell
Harriman also did business through other Brown Brothers Harriman and
Harriman Fifteen Corp. enterprises that did business with Joseph Stalin as
he purged his opposition.
Buchanan - How many people died while Brown Brothers Harriman and the
Bush-Walker-Harriman partnership did business with Stalin?
Loftus - Millions, including American and Allied soldiers and people in
concentration camps, both in Germany and Russia. And all the while, even
during WWI when American troops died in Russia, the Harrimans did business
with the Bolsheviks and then Stalin.
Buchanan - What should happen next as a result of this coming out?
Loftus - I think that American war veterans and Holocaust survivors are
entitled to compensation. I'm not as interested in filing another
reparations lawsuit, as I am in a bill in Congress.
Buchanan - How realistic is that?
Loftus - They did it for Japanese internees. I don't see why they wouldn't
do it on this issue if the public outcry is loud enough. We should reimburse
those vets and Holocaust survivors whose lives were harmed by the Bushes and
Harrimans in their dealings as traitors with enemies of the US.
Buchanan - Do you think it will happen?
Loftus - I don't know, but I do know that all you can do in this world is
tell the truth and see what happens.
John Loftus served as a prosecutor with the Justice Department's
Nazi-hunting unit. John Buchanan wrote "Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed," in our
last issue. - The Ed.
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