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Is this one on the Sollog line, or any of the other maps that various researchers have provided? Another Hegelian set-up by the gun grabbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Enjoy new investment freedom! Get the tools you need to successfully manage your portfolio from Harrisdirect. Start with award-winning research. Then add access to round-the-clock customer service from Series-7 trained representatives. Open an account today and receive a $100 credit! http://www.nytimes.com/ads/Harrisdirect.html \----------------------------------------------------------/ 3 Dead After Shooting at Missouri Abbey June 10, 2002 By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 6:36 p.m. ET CONCEPTION, Mo. (AP) -- A man wielding two rifles opened fire in the hallways of a Roman Catholic abbey Monday, killing two monks and wounding two others before committing suicide in a chapel, authorities said. Investigators said they were trying to establish a motive for the shootings at the Conception Abbey, a Benedictine monastery and seminary. A spokeswoman for the Kansas City-St. Joseph Diocese said it was not known if the shootings were related to the sex scandal in which priests around the country have been accused of molesting youngsters. ``We have no idea who this person is,'' said Rebecca Summers, diocese spokeswoman. ``There appears to be no explanation as to why this happened.'' The gunman was identified by the sheriff's office as 71-year-old Lloyd Robert Jeffress of Kearney, about 15 miles northeast of Kansas City. The man apparently opened fire at random in the halls around the business offices of the monastery, said the Rev. Gregory Polan, abbot of the abbey. Monks barred themselves in their rooms when they realized they were hearing gunfire. Two monks were killed and two other monks were seriously wounded. Authorities later found the suspect with a gunshot wound to the head, slumped over in a pew in a chapel on the monastery grounds. Two weapons, an AK-47 and a sawed-off .22-caliber rifle, were the body. The victims were identified as the Rev. Philip Schuster, 85, and Brother Damian Larson, 64. Schuster was a greeter at the monastery's front door; Larson worked as a groundskeeper. Polan said both had been at the Abbey for more than 30 years. The Rev. Kenneth Reichert, 68, an assistant to the abbot, was shot in the stomach and was in surgery. The Rev. Norbert Schappler, 73, was listed in stable condition; it wasn't immediately clear how he was wounded. Schappler oversees the dining room and works as director at the printing house. Sheriff Ben Espey said officers had been sent to the gunman's home about 70 miles south of the Abbey to look for clues. But as of Monday afternoon, no evidence was released. Polan said he was shown the man driver's license but did not recognize him as an employee or as anyone with a connection to the abbey. ``There's a lot of shock and sadness,'' Polan said. ``These were two monks whose lives have been lived here in a generous, gracious spirit.'' The Conception Abbey is on a 30-acre setting about 90 miles north of Kansas City. No students or faculty were on campus because the seminary had ended its academic year in mid-May. The complex also has a large publishing house, which turns out religious greeting cards, calendars and books. The seminary college is the biggest priestly training center in the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph. It lists a staff of 19 priests, eight brothers, one sister and six lay professors and has about 100 students. Ronda Strueby, a supervisor in the packaging department of the abbey's printing house, said all employees were evacuated. ``One of the monks, Brother Jeremiah, said there's a man in the monastery with a gun, and we need everyone to evacuate,'' she said. ``We were all told to go home.'' He added: ``There's a lot of helicopters and things around now. It's just not something you think about happening especially in a religious institution.'' Bishop Raymond J. Boland issued a statement saying he has gotten few details of the shooting, and encouraged people to pray for the entire Conception community. ``We are also praying for the gunman whom, we have been led to believe, took his own life,'' Boland's statement said. ``Whatever motivated him to orchestrate this carnage, we still know that he and his family need our prayers and our compassionate understanding.'' ^------ On the Net: Conception: http://www.conceptionabbey.org http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Abbey-Shooting.html?ex=1024749898&ei=1&en=68370bf80007e021 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. 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