-Caveat Lector- Logical inconsistencies and redundantly unrevolutionary revelations in Nessie's "Synecdoche alert !" : Statements: "If we limit our count to the Twentieth Century it gets a little more dicey. First and foremost, we must remember that there is no such thing as a "historical" body count, except for that part of 'the Holocaust' which took place in the lager system, and even that leaves gaps in the record." "There is simply no way of knowing how many people died as a result of orders given by Mao, Hitler, OR Stalin. The actual numbers are simply not available. The available number are not reliable." Contradictory statement: "What the Christians did to Africa and the New World, and to a lesser extent to South Asia and South East Asia, has never been approached, let alone duplicated. By comparison, the depredations of the great barbarian hordes were a drop in the bucket and the Twentieth Century a pale shadow." Comments: The 20th Century history of mass killings is called "dicey," yet killings by Christians in Asia and by barbarian hordes, earlier events, are confidently said to have been much higher in number than 20th. Century mass killings. First of all, if one cannot know and somehow quantifiably estimate the numbers killed in major events of this Century, how can Nessie be so confident in her counts from earlier times as to say that they were more intense? In fact, if estimates of this Century are so bogus, how can Nessie make any comparison at all as to the rank and frequency of other events? If one does not know the value of a particular number, how can one say that it is lesser or greater than any other number? ============================================================= Statement: "More people died in the Holocaust than are normally considered to have done so. the numbers are too low, WAY too low. The commonly quoted figure of 'the' six million, is totally deceptive and distortionist. First of all, even if we are to limit the definition of 'the Holocaust to those who died in the lager system, we're looking at roughly THIRTEEN million people." Contradictory statement: "There is simply no way of knowing how many people died as a result of orders given by Mao, Hitler, OR Stalin. The actual numbers are simply not available. The available number are not reliable." Comment: Once again, it appears that Nessie has been divinely blessed with omnipresent knowledge unavailable to the rest of the population of this Century. It sounds as if she should author a book with her striking revelations in it, or perhaps she is more full of it than most 20th. Century estimates are. ============================================================== Most of the rest of Nessie's thesis stated common facts as if they were somehow stunning revelations to the rest of us uneducated bastards: 1) Other groups besides the Jewish were singled out for genocide. (Thanks for that biggie.) 2) The concept of a country is not the same as its leader's identity whose actions and beliefs are not necessarily the actions and beliefs of his people which are not the same as a societal/political movement. (Another biggie. Let's call Ripley's.) 3) Hitler, Mao, and Stalin didn't act alone. (Maybe we should call the major governments and historians of the world and inform them of this.) 4) In addition to outright murder, Mao and Stalin also committed manslaughter through negligence, the conventions of war, etc., and these acts of manslaughter should not be counted as acts of murder, a very different concept. [What a marvelously revealing distinction (he said sarcastically). If you had your choice, would you rather you and your entire family be killed by premeditated murder, by neglect, or by war? Hmm, let's see. That's a toughie. How about NOT AT ALL. Death IS, after all, death.] ============================================================== Also (reminiscent of Bill C. and his "is" query) are questions as to the "actual" definitions of the following words/terms: 1) murderer 2) holocaust (as in "the" Holocaust) Are there some other definitions I don't know about? All of us uneducated bastards out here would like to know of any that may exist other than the ones in the dictionary and in history books. ============================================================== More to come, HOFFA DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! 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