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NewsMax.com
Monday, July 16, 2001 1:02 p.m. EDT
Secret Foster Case Witness Speaks Out After 7-Year Silence
It's been seven years since the man who discovered Vincent Foster's
lifeless body in a Virginia Park was interviewed by Whitewater
investigators.
His explosive testimony was deemed "credible" by Special Counsel Robert
Fiske, who sent FBI agents to his home for four separate interrogations.
His bombshell account has never been refuted by investigators working for
Fiske's successor, independent counsel Kenneth Starr, the Senate Banking
Committee, GOP Foster case prober the late Rep. Steven Schiff, or any other
government entity charged with investigating Foster's death.
And if what this key witness says is true - that Vincent Foster had no gun
in either hand before U.S. Park Police and the Fairfax County Fire and
Rescue Squad found his body eight years ago this week - then the official
conclusion that Foster shot himself in Fort Marcy Park was startlingly and
unequivocally wrong.
To this day the man who discovered the Clinton deputy White House counsel
in Fort Marcy still fears for his safety, guarding his true identity with
the initials CW, the acronym for the name given to him by Fiske's Foster
case probers: Confidential Witness.
Saturday night, for the first time since he went public briefly in 1994, CW
spoke out - in an exclusive two-hour interview with WABC Radio's John
Batchelor and Paul Alexander.
Also on hand was NewsMax.com's Carl Limbacher.
Some highlights:
ALEXANDER: Can you describe what you first saw?
CW: The very first thing I saw was something white through the trees.
Investigating, I saw that it was a body. So, very, very carefully, making
sure that I didn't disturb anything, I went over to see what it could be.
You know, I didn't have a clue who it was - I approached the body straight
from his head. He was feet down on a 45-degree angle down the embankment.
ALEXANDER: Was he face up? Was he face down?
CW: Face straight up. Hands on each side of his body straight away. Just
like he was - just laid down.
ALEXANDER: Could you tell immediately that he was dead?
CW: Oh, yes. There was black dried blood on his lips and his nose. Just
white glazed eyes.
ALEXANDER: Were the eyes open?
CW: His eyes were maybe one third of the way open.
ALEXANDER: So you're standing there, you see this body. What do you think
at this point?
CW: Well, the first thing I thought was that somebody knocked him in the
head because I couldn't see any sign of any blood on his shirt and
trousers. Just the blood around his mouth and his nose.
ALEXANDER: So you thought he had been hit by someone?
CW: I thought somebody hit him in the head.
ALEXANDER: And killed him by hitting him in the head?
CW: That's what I thought when I first saw it. ... I looked to see if he
had something in his hands that he could defend himself with - maybe a rock
or something like that.
ALEXANDER: And did you find anything?
CW: No. And that's why I was so adamant and so sure [that Foster had no
gun]. Because I clearly looked at both hands. And they were straight down
by his sides, fully extended, straight as can be, and both hands were palm
up.
ALEXANDER: Both hands were palm up?
CW: There was zero doubt. None. Both hands were palm up. [Note: in the
single Foster death scene photo released by investigators, Foster's hand is
turned on its side, palm facing toward the ground, with a gun clearly
visible.]
ALEXANDER: When you first saw the body, did you see any gun anywhere?
CW: None ...
CW: Several things led me to believe he had been placed there.
ALEXANDER: What was that? What made you believe that he had been placed
there?
CW: The embankment is very, very steep. [Fort Marcy Park] is a Civil War
fort - very densely overgrown. ... The leaves were at least four to six
inches deep in that area where he was lying. But the leaves from just about
his waist down to the bottom of the 45-degree slope, for an area that was
approximately four to five feet wide, below his body and up to just about
his waist, had all been tramped down. It was as if somebody had walked back
and forth at least a dozen times. ...
BATCHELOR: CW, I want to take you to the body again. Let's look down at the
body. You're looking down at it now. You're within a foot, two feet of the
body, looking from the head to the feet?
CW: My foot is about two feet from the top of his head. ... I'm leaning
over and looking directly down into his face. My face is approximately
three, three and a half feet from his face.
BATCHELOR: And the body could not be seen from the other side of the berm?
CW: No. Unless you went over the side of the berm you would never see it.
BATCHELOR: You said he had a white shirt on. CW: A very expensive white
shirt and a very expensive pair of pants and also a very expensive pair of
shoes.
BATCHELOR: Now go back to the shirt. The shirt was buttoned all the way to
the top?
CW: Yes, sir.
BATCHELOR: And there was a tie?
CW: No tie. ... It seemed to me that the body was swelling.
ALEXANDER: Let me ask you, CW, did you see any blood in the neck area?
CW: None.
ALEXANDER: Did you see any blood in the chest area?
CW: None.
ALEXANDER: Did you see any blood on the throat area?
CW: None. ...
ALEXANDER: When you were at the body, at any time did you touch or move the
body?
CW: Not at all. And I was very, very careful - looking to see if there was
any footprints. The ground was just dry. There were no footprints anywhere.
It had not rained for 30 days. ...
ALEXANDER: Did you see any markings around the body that would have
suggested foul play, like blood splattered on the ground or on a bush or on
a tree?
CW: None.
ALEXANDER: Did you see a pool of blood?
CW: Not a bit.
ALEXANDER: No pool of blood anywhere?
CW: None. There was no blood on the side of his face. There was no blood on
his neck. There was no blood running down either side of his face, 'cause I
leaned to both sides and looked to see if he'd been struck in the face.
Because blood being around his nose and mouth, that was my first thought.
When I first saw him, before I could get a good look at his body up close,
I almost walked away thinking somebody had laid down and was taking a nap.
...
NEWSMAX: You said during a break that Robert Fiske sent FBI agents to
interview you four times. Can you walk us through those interviews and tell
us what happened?
CW: After a lengthy debate they agreed to keep me confidential and I agreed
to let them interview me. They came to my home. That was agent [William]
Columbell and [Lawrence] Monroe. The first night was probably two hours.
They asked me, I would say in the neighborhood of at least five or six
times, "Are you sure there was no gun in his hand?" And, of course, every
time I told them exactly what I saw. There was no gun, this man's palms
were both palm up, laid neatly at his sides with his arms extended
full-length.
I didn't like that, that they would repeatedly ask me that. So, when they
scheduled another meeting, I wanted someone there to confirm what was going
on. So I had a very good friend of mine be here. ... She was here for the
next three interviews and she can verify that they repeatedly asked me
about this handgun thing and I kept telling them the same thing over and
over.
NEWSMAX: According to [New York Times columnist] William Safire's report,
they asked you this question 25 times?
CW: Well, somebody's exaggerating - but not a lot. ...
CW: When agent Columbell personally delivered the Fiske Report to me, he
told me, "You're not going to like what you read in this report. But if I
were you, I would just leave it alone, let it go, don't go anymore." He
kept insisting like that. He knew I was going to be mad when I read what
they did to my statement.
The very last night that the FBI was here for their last interview, Agent
Monroe held his hand out, palm up. And he says for the umpteenth time, "Now
you're sure that there was no gun in his hand?" And he took his index
finger and thumb as though it were a pistol trigger guard and circled the
thumb of his right hand. And he held his right hand out palm up and he
circled the thumb with his index finger and thumb of his left hand.
And he says, "Now, all you would have seen would have been the trigger
guard beause the gun had flipped over and was under his hand. Is there any
possibility you would have missed seeing that gun?"
And I said, "Listen, the whole bank is covered with years of leaves. If all
that could have possibly been seen would have been the trigger guard around
his thumb, there might have been a tip of a leaf that could have concealed
[the gun] from view. And I will concede to you that the gun could have been
under his hand. But I can tell you this, that his palms were up - both
hands."
NEWSMAX: And the picture [of Foster's hand holding a gun] they eventually
released does not show what they described to you in any way, shape or
form?
ALEXANDER: No, those pictures don't comport with what he was told at all.
CW: No, not in any way.
[Note: In the Fiske Report, CW's adamant "no gun" account is summarized
thusly: "He did not see a gun in the man's hands but said it was difficult
to see his hands because of the dense foliage in the area where the body
was lying. CW acknowledges that, because of his position at the top of the
berm and the heavy foliage, there could have been a gun in that man's hand
that he did not see."]
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For the definitive account of Foster's death and subsequent investigations
into the case, read Christopher Ruddy's "The Strange Death of Vincent
Foster," now available at NewsMax.com's bookstore.
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