-Caveat Lector- So Rudy does not get "dual custody" of his children for the Judge does not want the children to have to compete with his paramour and none darest sayeth her name, Judith Nathan - who like cheap soap opera tells of her love, for Rudy the Brown Nosed Reindeer, who delights at funerals and burial sites.
So this Judge is one good judge.....note the Mayor left his wife and children to move in with two homosexuals, where he slept it is said in separate bed, with a teddy bare.....so sweet. And now he has his very own apartment; however, major problem is this paramour who clings unto him like albotross with whom he associates and her influence over the quality of life, for the children. So "Sir" Rudy be he evere so humbled, will have to pay all that child support and alimony and oh dear - since he won't be attending so many funerals maybe he could spend some "quality" time with his children - sans presense of the indiscreet woman known as Judith Nathan - minus the ring through her nose, for this they say a woman without discretion - like swine with pierced nose and ears. Wonder if she will love him in December as she did in summer? Two ugly people but golly gee - won't it be fun for "Mrs Hanover" aka Mrs. Giuliani as she watches that cheap ass squirm and mourn and groan over all that alimony and child support which could be in effect until these children are out of college? And just think Rudy will miss all that free housing (Gracie Mansion) and regular paychehck from City Hall.....bodyds, chauffer, and attending funerals...... OSaba March 7, 2002 Judge Denies Giuliani's Request for Joint Custody By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN Rudolph W. Giuliani has been lauded worldwide for his stalwart leadership after the Sept. 11 attacks, but the judge handling the former mayor's divorce case suggested yesterday that he had been less laudable in his private life and that his years in office had hurt his relationship with his children. In a ruling yesterday, the judge, Judith J. Gische of State Supreme Court in Manhattan, denied a request by the former mayor for joint custody of his son. Justice Gische also imposed a visitation schedule that continued limits on contact between Mr. Giuliani's children and his companion, Judith Nathan, that were imposed last May. Justice Gische refused to change the restrictions that forbid the children — Andrew, 15, and Caroline, 12 — to spend overnight visits with Mr. Giuliani if Ms. Nathan is also spending the night. She asserted that Mr. Giuliani's relationship with the children needed to be rebuilt without competition from Ms. Nathan. "During the eight years that plaintiff was in public office and more profoundly in his last four months in office, plaintiff's pressing public obligations often limited the time he had to spend with the children," the judge wrote. "The children need to establish a new routine of time spent with their father without worrying about competing for his attention." AlertsManhattan (NY)Giuliani, Rudolph WChild Custody and SupportDivorce, Separations and AnnulmentsCreate Your Justice Gische did lift some restrictions on contact with Ms. Nathan. Except for overnights, Ms. Nathan is now permitted to be in the presence of the children. Until now, the judge had imposed a complete ban. The judge's decision prompted Mr. Giuliani's aides to disclose for the first time that he has his own apartment in Manhattan. He left Gracie Mansion last spring and had been staying with a friend, Howard Koeppel, and Mr. Koeppel's partner, Mark Hsiao. The aides would not say where the apartment was, citing security issues. Regarding Ms. Nathan, who is referred to as J.N. in the court papers, Justice Gische wrote: "Although the children have met J.N. at least once, they can hardly be said to have a comfortable, familiar relationship with her. This needs to develop over time." She added, "The record before this court reveals that the children are not, at this time, psychologically ready to have overnight visits with their father that include J.N. staying overnight as well. It is unclear exactly when they will be ready." Mr. Giuliani's lawyer, Raoul L. Felder, denounced the ruling and disputed the absent-father characterization. "The judge's decision is just plain inaccurate," Mr. Felder said. "He has been to every one of these children's events except one since Sept. 11. Very few fathers in New York could match that record." Helene Brezinsky, a lawyer for Mr. Giuliani's estranged wife, Donna Hanover, said, "We are pleased that the court accepted Donna's view that overnights with Rudy's girlfriend are not appropriate and as always Donna's only concern is for the best interests of her children." Through a spokesman, Ms. Nathan said, "I love the mayor very much and I look forward to all of these issues being resolved." Justice Gische yesterday also set June 5, 6 and 7 as the dates for the divorce trial. But most of her ruling focused on custodial issues, and the judge said that she had sought to clear up conflicting claims regarding the children's wishes by interviewing them Feb. 4. She also noted that Mr. Giuliani and Ms. Hanover had failed to reach any agreement on permanent custody and that "child related disputes have only intensified" since the proceedings began. "At this point the court no longer has any reason to be optimistic," the judge wrote. "The court, therefore, will proceed with the appointment of a mental heath professional as a forensic evaluator on the issues of permanent custody and visitation." The judge granted Mr. Giuliani visits from his children every other weekend. The judge also ruled that the children should have separate midweek dinners with their father. Vacations and holidays are to be shared, with the children kept together. Mr. Felder said he would ask the judge to rehear arguments on the visitation schedule. He said Justice Gische had ignored an effort by Mr. Giuliani to lay out his schedule a year in advance to allow for a more customized visitation plan. "He wants to spend more time with the kids than the judge wants him to spend," Mr. Felder said. But the judge rejected that request. "A more traditional visitation schedule reflects the historical division of responsibility for the children in this family," she wrote. Home | Back to New York Region | Search | Help Back to Top Click Here to Receive 50% Off Home Delivery of The New York Times Newspaper. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company | Privacy Information <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html <A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
