Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2021-05-02 18:21, Michael van Elst wrote: b...@update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist) writes: And as a "fun" fact. On my 4000/90, it takes about 3h after I start a cvs update until I actually start having any network traffic... A SCSI SSD could help. :) Definitely. Because the disk is 100% busy

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Havard Eidnes
> I suspect what is commonly the problem here is related to the fact > that cvs has such a phase at the beginning where it is scanning > through the file system, which can take quite a while. Some NAT > devices along the path sometimes have timeouts on existing connections > that if no traffic is h

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Michael van Elst
b...@update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist) writes: >And as a "fun" fact. On my 4000/90, it takes about 3h after I start a >cvs update until I actually start having any network traffic... A SCSI SSD could help. :)

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2021-05-02 16:32, Anders Magnusson wrote: Den 2021-05-02 kl. 15:57, skrev Johnny Billquist: On 2021-05-02 13:51, Anders Magnusson wrote: Den 2021-05-02 kl. 13:44, skrev Johnny Billquist: I suspect what is commonly the problem here is related to the fact that cvs has such a phase at the be

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Greg Troxel
Robert Swindells writes: > Lloyd Parkes wrote: >>The network is a 1Gb/s LAN through to a smaller NetBSD router running >>NPF with MSS clamping enabled so that I can get Netflix. My ISP does not >>use CGN for my IPv4 connection. My IPv6 connection is tunnelled through >>to Hurricane Electric

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Anders Magnusson
Den 2021-05-02 kl. 15:57, skrev Johnny Billquist: On 2021-05-02 13:51, Anders Magnusson wrote: Den 2021-05-02 kl. 13:44, skrev Johnny Billquist: I suspect what is commonly the problem here is related to the fact that cvs has such a phase at the beginning where it is scanning through the file

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2021-05-02 13:51, Anders Magnusson wrote: Den 2021-05-02 kl. 13:44, skrev Johnny Billquist: I suspect what is commonly the problem here is related to the fact that cvs has such a phase at the beginning where it is scanning through the file system, which can take quite a while. Some NAT de

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Robert Swindells
Lloyd Parkes wrote: >The network is a 1Gb/s LAN through to a smaller NetBSD router running >NPF with MSS clamping enabled so that I can get Netflix. My ISP does not >use CGN for my IPv4 connection. My IPv6 connection is tunnelled through >to Hurricane Electric in Sydney, Australia. Have you

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Anders Magnusson
Den 2021-05-02 kl. 13:44, skrev Johnny Billquist: I suspect what is commonly the problem here is related to the fact that cvs has such a phase at the beginning where it is scanning through the file system, which can take quite a while. Some NAT devices along the path sometimes have timeouts o

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2021-05-01 23:54, Brett Lymn wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2021 at 12:58:50PM +1200, Lloyd Parkes wrote: Germany is pretty much the opposite of New Zealand. It's close to everywhere, but its last mile access speeds are a bit infamous. Just for you info... there are a few NetBSD developers in .au

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Andreas Gustafsson
Brett Lymn wrote: > Just for you info... there are a few NetBSD developers in .au, my self > included. I haven't > had any issues with cvs disconnects. Not to deny you have an issue, just > letting you know > it works ok for people near you. For what it's worth, my connections to anoncvs from

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-02 Thread Brett Lymn
On Sat, May 01, 2021 at 12:58:50PM +1200, Lloyd Parkes wrote: > > Germany is pretty much the opposite of New Zealand. It's close to > everywhere, but its last mile access speeds are a bit infamous. > Just for you info... there are a few NetBSD developers in .au, my self included. I haven't had

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-01 Thread Greg A. Woods
At Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:23:03 +0200, Christian Groessler wrote: Subject: Re: Problem reports for version control systems > > On 4/30/21 7:31 AM, Lloyd Parkes wrote: > > > Hi all, > > The problem reports people have in their > > emails are completely inadequate for >

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-01 Thread Rhialto
On Fri 30 Apr 2021 at 19:51:27 +1000, matthew green wrote: > > I too get long pauses with cvs, both at the beginning, > > and even longer at the end after update is complete. > > the end part is most likely cvs cleaning up after itslf by > removing all the subdirs it created but doesn't need. And

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-01 Thread matthew sporleder
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 5:50 AM Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 05:31:53PM +1200, Lloyd Parkes wrote: > > ceph4% hg --version > > Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 5.3.2) > > Please note that this is quite an old version and a lot of work on > improving both CPU time

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-05-01 Thread Hauke Fath
On Sat, 1 May 2021 12:58:50 +1200, Lloyd Parkes wrote: > I'm not using a SLOG. I couldn't be bothered setting one up on my > crash and burn systems. It doesn't seem to be too bad, except for > when I try and run "rm -rf src". Looking at 'systat -w2 vmstat' during writes to zfs, the activity on m

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-04-30 Thread Lloyd Parkes
On 30/04/21 9:50 pm, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 05:31:53PM +1200, Lloyd Parkes wrote:     ceph4% hg --version     Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 5.3.2) Please note that this is quite an old version and a lot of work on improving both CPU time and memory use has

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-04-30 Thread Lloyd Parkes
On 30/04/21 8:36 pm, Hauke Fath wrote: Out of curiosity: Do you use a ZIL SLOG* volume with that setup? I remember cvs operations used to be a lot slower on spinning rust than on SSD. I'm not using a SLOG. I couldn't be bothered setting one up on my crash and burn systems. It doesn't seem t

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-04-30 Thread Christian Groessler
On 4/30/21 7:31 AM, Lloyd Parkes wrote: Hi all, The problem reports people have in their emails are completely inadequate for trying to determine what is going wrong for people trying to access the NetBSD source. I'm rsync'ing the CVS tree to my local server and then run CVS against

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-04-30 Thread Hauke Fath
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:51:27 +1000, matthew green wrote: >> I too get long pauses with cvs, both at the beginning, >> and even longer at the end after update is complete. > > the end part is most likely cvs cleaning up after itslf by > removing all the subdirs it created but doesn't need. ... whi

re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-04-30 Thread matthew green
> I too get long pauses with cvs, both at the beginning, > and even longer at the end after update is complete. the end part is most likely cvs cleaning up after itslf by removing all the subdirs it created but doesn't need. check disk io or ktrace for this part -- it's usually a local iops issue

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-04-30 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 05:31:53PM +1200, Lloyd Parkes wrote: >     ceph4% hg --version >     Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 5.3.2) Please note that this is quite an old version and a lot of work on improving both CPU time and memory use has been spend since then. Joerg

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-04-30 Thread Thomas Mueller
> Hi all, > The problem reports people have in their emails are completely inadequate for > trying to determine what is going wrong for people trying to access the > NetBSD > source. > Since I was the first person to post an inadequate report in this first batch, > I'll go first at try

Re: Problem reports for version control systems

2021-04-30 Thread Hauke Fath
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:31:53 +1200, Lloyd Parkes wrote: > The host is a Xeon E3-1241 v3 @ 3.50GHz with eight hyperthreads and > 32GB RAM. It has a 128GB SSD for / and 4x4TB disks in a raidz zpool > on /vol. All work is being done on /vol. Out of curiosity: Do you use a ZIL SLOG* volume with that